If USO as you say so much is a real BIG GOOD COMPANY with AMAZING SERVICE TO CUSTOMER they probaly soon respect THEIR WORD a day in the future and perhaps to explain why they have NEVER delivery the SN9 scope I have ordered two year ago too , except explain as airplane fly are unsafe for DR WILLIAMS ...
I have loose enought money with Mister DR Williams and JBW xxxxx ????? to not make discount of full price scope pay that doesn t work but if USO want to purchase back the scopes at real price include the money in USO adventure I have loose I will happy , because delivery faulty scope is unhonnest .
If you own a wonderfull 408 Cheyenne with a wonderfull SN9 what the accuracy you get at 1K and 2K because on this board accuracy of the 408 Cheyenne seem more than strange and what barrel erosion/wear you get you amazing LRB bullet
because if you are happy of USO I could think you use your rifle and really shoot with them
I am not here to get in a ******* contest with you - everyone here knows you hate USO/EDM and bash them at every opportunity. Its a free country brother and that's your right to free speech, but IMHO you are wasting bandwidth and everyone else's time because you are saying the same story over and over (and over) everytime you see any post with the letters USO in it. I would think you have seen enough posts here to indicate that maybe (just maybe) there are actually some satifsfied USO customers out in the world. If you haven't then reread the following sentences several times for understanding: I am a satisfied USO/EDM customer. I am a satisfied USO/EDM customer. I am a satisfied USO/EDM customer...
I have read about your misfortunate dealings with USO (who here on the board hasn't?) and am sorry that it didn't work out for you. But for Christ's sake man, get over it - you don't have to flame at every opportunity. Be a professional, try and work out your business dealings privately, and then if it still is bad give us an update - one or two posts for an update will suffice. If you have severed all contact woth USO and have no additional info to give, then let it rest since you have beat this horse to death in this forum and others.
You wanted to know what people used - I told you. I have had good experiences with USO and am very happy with them. Why flame me, or insinuate that I don't shoot just because I have guns/scopes you don't like. Guess what buddy - my stuff works, I use it, and I am happy with it. Both of my EDM's have been used at near or over the 2K mark, with groups anywhere from sub MOA to several MOA depending on my abilities to dope wind, trigger control, etc. etc. They work for me, I know they work for me, and I feel no need to further justify my shooting resume to a whiner such as yourself.
I doesn t want or need any fight with you I just ask you what level of accuracy you get with your 408 EDM that just a question
if you are happy with this rifle no reason to don't publish accuracy and pictures of target with al informations as load , bullet , primer , range ....on this forum
that all because this forum is a place to share information with other shooter , not a place to fight or get trouble I always find amzing that simple question get no answer that the fact for you ,same for Nighthawk and other as soon as I ask an technical answer I get nothing
I don't spend time on forum to say that I am very happy with this brand or this other brand or make adds for some product ....
the aim or goal of my question is just to know what shooters in fact real shooters use as brand to shoot nothing more nothing less because some new scoipe as Nikon or Funinon arrived on the market ans that interesting to see what % of brand shooters use .
last question :
do you relaod your 408 Cheyenne or do you shoot factory Chey tac ammo
have you visit the USO company because I have spend time in USO company , amazing isn t it ....
last point :
I doesn t hate EDM even if EDM seem very close to USO I just find that their barrel fitting is strange for top accuracy they claim that just a technical point of view BUT I really don t like find gost company as USO or LRB with amazing performances on paper , big show with lot of noise on the net and very few result on the range
I have visit USO two year ago after my first order ( 1.5 year of delivery time ) and three year after first contact at the shot show result is a faulty SN3 with mismatch in order
I have keep contact with USO and DR williams after this visit because NORMALY I was the french agent but unfortunetly I have never get any scope in loan for show ( Minipol show ) and never see my SN 9 delivery by the man name DR Williams
only real information I have get last year IS : you are french and I doesn t want work at all with french people
kind and plenty respect isn' it from a man without World
I am tired to read amazing report on gost product , SCL own a 408 OK wonderfull when I ask what accuracy he get no answer except one half page of explain on " my hate " of USO you say that you have sale your EDM in 338 why not to purchase a EDM in 408 OK
the man on this forum who have put money in a EDM in 408 is in trouble to make nice group at 100 yards and reach claim velocity by LRB , fouling is worth ....
so you can perhaps explain me How a serious rifle builder as EDM if EDM is a serious builder can built and sale rifle in unproven caliber and without any proof of accuracy or even any idea of barrel life !!
Why there is so few information on 408 with real data and real group ?
I am not on this forum to read dream story or the next future amazing 2K group but just to share real informations with real shooter
you say you test rifles for SOF OK why not but from my side I just enjoy to make holes in paper target anf tactical problems or rather tactical fashion is very far from my interest
because you seem to know very well the new USO company built after my visit where is DR williams What happen s with DR Williams and Who is JBW 3 because when a man "disapear " from a company after to have say I AM THE OWNER OF USO I just find that very strange to stay polish
Appreciate your reply - I absolutely agree with you that the forum is a place to share ideas, experiences, etc.
I have shot both factory (pseudo-factory) and hand-rolled ammo in .408. I am set to back to the U.S. in January where I will have access to most of my reloading data - I'll post what I have used then. Relying just on memory - had good results with factory 419gr, pushing 2775 - 2900 fps depending on external and ammo temperature. I haven't tried to hotrod this round since I am by no means an ace handloader, but I don't think its a 3000 + fps round. I know some guys here are tweaking the case to get an addiitonal 5-10 grains of powder to give it more oomph. I would be much happier if sierra or someone else jumped on the bandwagon and offered greater bullet selection, brass, etc. As it stands right now, its cheaper to shoot my .50BMG Windrunner than the .408 - and it shouldn't be IMHO. :-(
The EDM guns are sweet; not very pretty to look at, but the barrel nut set-up they use works. The guns are more accurate than I am if they are fed match quality ammo and the shooter does their part. I really like their takedown ferature and modularity. You can spring for a W-ndrunner and then get bolts/barrels for the same receiver in .408, .338 LM, etc. If they made a downsized version for mid range calibers (i.e. a switch barrel .300/.300WSM/6.5x284, etc. I would buy one in a heartbeat - if the price were downsized to match the smaller gun. :-) Of course, a McM Tubb T2K is already out there and offers this capability so maybe its a moot point. Anyway, the EDM's work for me.
I'll get back to you when I am back in the good ol' USA - until then, have a happy new year!