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Unread 01-09-2008, 09:17 AM
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of course i know that i can reduse the magnification. are there any other options in scopes with the same quality for the same price. when ssg and i were talking about this gun and scopes we thought 5.5x22. i have never thought of mirage the way that you just said. for what im spending i am just trying not to make a rookie mistake to save a couple dallors. thank you for the advise...
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Unread 01-09-2008, 09:35 PM
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Go with the Nightforce 12X42 NXS with the NP R1 retical. That is what I use on my F-Class and I don't think you would regret it. You will also need a 20 moa base or equil IMHO
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Unread 01-09-2008, 09:58 PM
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The NF scopes are kind of in a 'niche'...there are the Leupold MkIV 8.5-25x scopes, but they are a bit light on the magnification compared to the NF 12-42x. I've had some problems w/ Leupold in regard to repeatability - several scopes worth. IOR-Valdada makes a scope in the 9-36x range for $1400-1500, and I've read some BR shooters commenting favorably on them when they first came out, but I don't hear much about them since, and I haven't seen any on the line at F-Class matches. I don't know of any reason why they wouldn't work, though.

U.S. Optics has some glass in the 40+ magnification range... but it's over twice the price of a NF BR 12-42x. USO enthusiasts might argue that its worth it, but I'd rather buy two NF and have a spare if I needed it.

Schmidt & Bender supposedly has some 12-50x glass coming, but its supposed to be in the $2000-2500 range.

After that, we 'drop down' to the fixed power BR scopes - Leupold Competition scopes in the ~$1k range, and the Weaver & Sightron scopes in the $400-500 range. For the money, I see no reason to get the Leupold fixed power scope compared to a NF BR series variable for the games I play.

Next tier would be the 8-32x range... Burris has some, but I don't think I've ever seen one at a long range match. Their internal adjustment range is pretty limited, which can be worked around by use of their Signature rings and inserts... Not sure what Bushnell offers in their Elite 4200 series in this range.

Lots of options to choose from.

Edited to add: if you look at today's bulletin over on, Sightron is bringing out some new scopes for 2008 - including a 8-32x56mm scope. No idea on how it'll hold up, but for $825 it might be another option for you.

Good luck!

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Unread 01-09-2008, 11:27 PM
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Not trying to hi-jack your thread, but while were on the subject of F-class scopes. I have the 8.5-25x50 VX-III , your right it is light on the magnification. I really haven't figured out how to "read" mirage with this scope, maybe because I can't see it. I plan on starting out using this scope on my new rifle until I can afford a more suitable scope.

I was intrigued by all these new scopes coming out this year. My question is can you read mirage with a scope on 32 power? Does better resolution on a NF help you see mirage more clearly than a lower grade scope? I really need a variable power because this will be a varmint rifle too, like the fella that started the thread. Thanks for straigtening me out!
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Unread 01-09-2008, 11:44 PM
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The optical clarity has a lot to do with how well you can see the mirage. I have a Kowa TSN 661 spotting scope w/ multi-coating, etc. and a 27x LER/WA lens. I can see mirage 'okay' with that set up. I've looked through other people's Kowa and Leica scopes w/ the fluorite coated lenses (ED or APO designations) and there is a whole world of mirage out there - layers and layers - that I'm not seeing. Guess what I'm saving money for? ;)

I've had a couple guns w/ comparable scopes on them - 6-18x of one brand, 6.5-20x of another. With one I could see mirage clearly, with the other, not.

Just a disclaimer here: not even Nightforce is 'perfect'. I've talked with some folks who claimed theirs were dark and not very bright/clear. Looked through theirs, looked through mine. Big difference. From talking w/ some more experienced folks, it gets back to a slight misalignment of a lense during final assembly - easy to do, and the factory will almost always make it right. So if you get a NF and go 'WTF was he talking about?' you might consider comparing it to another one and maybe sending it back to get corrected. I don't think it's very common, but it does happen.

One thing that can help in reading mirage is to pull the scope back slightly out of focus and look at some thing with a defined edge, like the number boards, etc. that is over the target (where you're bullet will spend most of its time traveling). I don't recommend this with your *rifle* scope, but if you have a spotting scope you can often pick up the mirage part ways down range i.e. closer to the muzzle where it has more effect on the bullet.
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