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What is the best scope on the market PERIOD?

 
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Old 03-07-2010, 11:14 PM
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Re: What is the best scope on the market PERIOD?

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S&B IMHO the PMll 5X25X56 is the best scope opticaly that I have ever used and the adjustments are precise and constantly repeatable. The NSX is repatable and reliable, just a notch behind S&B opticaly



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Old 03-08-2010, 12:45 AM
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Re: What is the best scope on the market PERIOD?

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The Hensoldt does not have a zero stop turret or a turn indicator
I think the turn is indicated well enough. Also, having only two full turns and plenty of elevation per turn, IME this is a non-issue. The turret will not go much below zero anyway if you have a 20MOA+ base.



Also if you want to have definite zero stop and a single turn turret ( and are willing to live with the limitation of 12 mils = 41 MOA of total elevation ) , you can pin the elevation turret in the same way the windage turret is pinned. The mechanism is already there, there just is no pin on the elevation turret when you purchase a Hensoldt.



Also notice the "extra knob" in the middle, it is for adjusting the height of the turret so the turn indicator line will be revealed at the right moment ( instead of e.g. being off half a turn if you have zeroed the turret half a turn between the lines ).

Needless to say I'm a fan of Hensoldts. Besides, I like their physical dimensions better than the Benders. Not a fair comparison but remember the 4-16x S&B is almost as long as the 5-25x pictured below, next to a 3-12 ( which is only a 1/2" shorter than 4-16x Hensoldt ) :



But, as always, YMMV. I just didn't become a fan of the Bender mostly due to its actual minimum magnification being somewhere around 7,5x ( any smaller than that, the FOV doesn't widen, you only get a dark shadow ) and the big size combined with the fact that I don't shoot any better with 25x than what I do with 12x, given equal size and shape targets.
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Re: What is the best scope on the market PERIOD?

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S&B IMHO the PMll 5X25X56 is the best scope opticaly that I have ever used and the adjustments are precise and constantly repeatable. The NSX is repatable and reliable, just a notch behind S&B opticaly




Hope you guy's are right because 5-25x56 pmII should be here TODAY or tomorrow C.O.D didn't think anybody did C.O,D any more.anyway all smiles can't wait
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Re: What is the best scope on the market PERIOD?

yeah i think the hensoldt is going on my next rifle(of coarse it won't be REALLY soon... I don't have $3K to spend on it just yet... but it wont be long!)
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Old 03-09-2010, 06:40 AM
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Re: What is the best scope on the market PERIOD?

The problem with the Hensoldt is the reticle. Unless I am wrong, they only offer a conventional mil dot, and the subtenssion of he crosshairs might be too wide for LR shooting at small targets, at least ion the higher power factors.
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Old 03-10-2010, 01:10 AM
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Re: What is the best scope on the market PERIOD?

Yes only mildot for now. But then it IS the choice of many military professionals and I must say I'm not too fond of the busier crosshair types myself. Hensoldt line thickness is 0.05 mrad ( roughly 1/6 MOA ) . Dots are 0.2 mrad IIRC.

For accurate long range optical rangefinding, I'm highly skeptical of the usefulness of ANY rifle scope reticle. I've ranged ( in sniper competitions where LRFs are prohibited ) with S&B, Nightforce, IOR and Leupold reticles, up to 1K+. At high magnification ( such as with TMR reticle equipped Leupold 12-40x spotter) mirage will make accurate range estimation difficult and with 25x magnification or lower such as with S&B or Nightforce, it is simply too difficult to eyeball anything at the required sub-0.05 mrad precision.

S&B P4/P4F are good reticles except for the middle part design. Whoever decided to make the center crosshair "something more than 0.5 but less than 1.0 mrad" and skip the 0.5 mrad lines altogether, obviously had no experience in making quick corrections to near misses at long range.

IMO the Gen2 mildot reticle is by far the best, bar none. Too bad it is owned by Premier Reticles, whose scope design I'm not a fan of but I can see the appeal to the tactical crowd.
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Old 03-10-2010, 09:11 AM
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Re: What is the best scope on the market PERIOD?

Jru, you are fully right on this.The centre crosshair in the P4f is a strange thing, measuring ¿unlkess i am wrong? 0,85 mil. A normal half mil mark would have been far better.

Also agree it is very dificult to range using the reticle, although here I must say that the little 0.2 mil marks in the sides or top of the p4f are useful at least to measure the size of the target if the distance is known...

If the reticle is used for holdover, dont you find the dot may be a little too thick some times?
Thanks for the info.
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