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Vortex Viper PST, the scope that never was?

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Unread 10-09-2010, 11:53 AM
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Re: Vortex Viper PST, the scope that never was?

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    Re: Vortex Viper PST, the scope that never was?

    At the risk of upsetting some, i really don't know what the hype is about these scopes. A mate recently bought one from Midway UK who were offering a deal. He bought it due to the specs, magnification range and the hype on a few of the shooting forums.

    He brought it over and we tested it against some other comparable scopes where it rated OK at best. Essentially we mounted an average sized roe deer target, made from brown corrugated cardboard on a post 100yds away, under a tree. We lined up the scopes below on a table and continually checked the scope picture until it was no longer possible to distinguish a 'shootable target.'

    Hawke Frontier 6-16x42
    Falcon Menace 10x42
    Votex Viper 6.5-20x50
    Zeiss Duralyt (UK version of conquest) 3-12x50
    Bushnell Elite 3200 5-15x40
    Bushnell Elite 6500 2.5-16x50
    Schmidt & Bender (8x56 Hungarian)
    Swarovski Habicht 3-10x50

    The time at which the target was no longer shootable was logged for each scope in minutes after dusk:

    Hawke Frontier 6-16x42 +17mins
    Falcon Menace 10x42 +21mins
    Votex Viper 6.5-20x50 +23mins
    Zeiss Duralyt (UK version of conquest) 3-12x50 +37mins
    Bushnell Elite 3200 5-15x40 +28mins
    Bushnell Elite 6500 2.5-16x50 +33mins
    Schmidt & Bender (8x56 Hungarian) +45mins
    Swarovski Habicht 3-10x50 +43

    OK, so i freely admit that the amount of cloud cover, shadow, etc will all effect the results to a degree but when i'm stalking deer at dawn & dusk, the viper is not the scope i'd wish on my rifle.
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    Unread 10-09-2010, 01:42 PM
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    Re: Vortex Viper PST, the scope that never was?

    To be fair , the PST has different glass ? Or is it the same with different turrets, retical?
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    Unread 10-11-2010, 06:38 AM
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    Re: Vortex Viper PST, the scope that never was?

    The PST's do have different glass, but to the previous post when you were doing these tests did you have all of the scopes on max magnification?




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    Unread 10-11-2010, 07:37 AM
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    Re: Vortex Viper PST, the scope that never was?

    Scott_at_Vortex,

    We thought about that when doing the test and concluded that it would be unfair to the less expensive variables. OK, so we expected the Swaro and the SB to clear the tables - we hadn't forgotten just how much more expensive they are.

    Essentially we set the variables to mag 8, deciding it was the fairest setting (object lenses being considered). This left the only 'fly in the ointment' being the Falcon menace which is a set power at 10.

    A last comment about costs. The Vortex Viper PST Scope with 30mm Tube 4-16x 50mm Side Focus Illuminated EBR-1 Reticle Matte is currently being sold in the UK, by Midway UK for 785 sterling ($1251 US dollars). That puts it in the neighbourhood of some very stiff competition:

    Docter Optics Classic Illuminated 3-12x56 IR Rifle Scope - 820
    Zeiss Classic Diatal 8x56 T* IR Rifle Scope - 840
    Zeiss Duralyt 3-12x50 Rifle Scope - 699
    Zeiss Classic Diavari 3-12x56 T* Rifle Scope - 840
    Schmidt and Bender Classic Fixed Power (Hungarian) 8x56 30mm Rifle Scope - 600
    Schmidt and Bender Classic Fixed Power (Hungarian) 8x56 30mm Rifle Scope - 830
    Swarovski Z3 3-10x42 Rifle Scope - 890
    Leupold VX-3 3.5-10x50 IR Long Range Rifle Scope - 790
    Leupold VX-3 4.5-14x50 Long Range Rifle Scope - 750
    Leupold VX-3 6.5-20x50 Long Range Rifle Scope - 820
    Leupold VX-III 4.5-14x40 Long Range Rifle Scope - 580
    MEOPTA R1r 3-12X56 RD RET 4K - 840.00

    I could go on and list examples from kahles, etc but ultimately i fear odd in Europe are stacked against the Vortex scopes finacially. They are just too over-priced. Financially and optically, if i was searching for a quality variable scope for a hunting rifles then i would choose a Doctor, Meopta, Pentax, Kahles or even a Leupold. Same price as the Vortex but proven optical quality.



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    Re: Vortex Viper PST, the scope that never was?

    I am kinda confused, guess I dont know how oversea markets work compared to the us dollar but I dont see how a scope selling here for hundreds less could cost more over there.
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    Re: Vortex Viper PST, the scope that never was?

    SWFA is selling that scope for 700. FFP is 850.
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