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Viper vs. SIII ???

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Unread 10-11-2012, 09:07 AM
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Which long range scopes would I recommend at $1,000 or less? I don't have a long list because I don't comment on scopes I haven't personally evaluated, and I haven't evaluated everything out there.

I would recommend you consider Burris MTAC and XTR scopes. Both are high contrast SFP scopes. MTAC is AO, while XTR is SF. You may have to give up FFP if you want high contrast. Consider this: if you have enough time to range a target and calculate wind holdoff, you have enough time to adjust magnification. It's really a matter of training yourself to do it reliably.
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    Re: Viper vs. SIII ???

    I had looked at the Burris, but they are MIL based scopes in those two, and I want a MOA based scope. Thanks though
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    Re: Viper vs. SIII ???

    just reread the specs on the Viper....only 65 MOA of elevation.....That may be a deal breaker for me, I like everything else on it better, but that little elevation concerns me. not sure if that will be enough to get me out to 1000.....the 100 on the SIII gives me a lot more margin of error, especially with my 20 MOA base.....I don't know, am I making too big a deal of this?
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    Re: Viper vs. SIII ???

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    I had looked at the Burris, but they are MIL based scopes in those two, and I want a MOA based scope. Thanks though
    The XTR's are MOA. They have a Ballistic Mil Dot Reticle that has Mil Dots on both sides and top, but a BDC style reticle on the bottom post. The reticle is actually pretty sweet, it allows me to shoot out to 700 yards with my 300 WSM without dialing.

    If you want to range with a reticle that has 1 or 2 MOA increments then I can see where's it's a deal breaker for you.

    I have a Sightron SIII and can attest to what Bruce has said about glare. I'm used to shooting Burris Black Diamonds, and the SIII simply doesn't perform well in certain lighting conditions. I love my SIII and will buy another, but when he talks about glare issues he knows what he's talking about.

    I've also owned a Viper and shot 2 or 3 additional Viper PST's and HS's and they are all have a lot smaller eyebox than my Sightron. I would buy a Vortex PST only if I found a great deal on a used one, if I was spending full price it would be a SIII for sure.
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    Re: Viper vs. SIII ???

    I have 4 SIII scopes-2/LRMD,2/MOA-2 reticles.In all of the shooting that I've done with these scopes,I have never had any glare/contrast issues worse than any other scope that I use.
    While Zero stops are nice,I find the glass in the Viper PST isn't near the clarity of the Sightrons,and FFP doesn't really matter to me.My Swaro's are FFP and I like them,but I actually like shooting SFP scopes more for target shooting or hunting.
    For the price,I find the Sightron SIII hard to beat.
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    Re: Viper vs. SIII ???

    Lots of good thoughts so far. I'm in the same boat...looking real close at a SIII or a Viper PST. I had also looked very close at the Weaver Tactical too.

    Has anyone also compared one of the counter sniper scopes in this mix?
    Counter Sniper Optics [Online Catalog - 3/25-56 Weapon Mountable Optical Gunsights]

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    Counter Sniper Optics [Online Catalog - 10/40-56 35 mm Weapon Mountable Optical Gunsights]

    I think I might like the reticle enough to look closer at these even though they aren't MOA scopes. Saw one on a savage and the seller compared it to his SIII also.

    What say those who might have used them. I'm very interested in the contrast because that is what helps in the shade of a tree, early morning, late evening shooting.
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    Re: Viper vs. SIII ???

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    Lots of good thoughts so far. I'm in the same boat...looking real close at a SIII or a Viper PST. I had also looked very close at the Weaver Tactical too.

    Has anyone also compared one of the counter sniper scopes in this mix?
    Counter Sniper Optics [Online Catalog - 3/25-56 Weapon Mountable Optical Gunsights]

    or

    Counter Sniper Optics [Online Catalog - 10/40-56 35 mm Weapon Mountable Optical Gunsights]

    I think I might like the reticle enough to look closer at these even though they aren't MOA scopes. Saw one on a savage and the seller compared it to his SIII also.

    What say those who might have used them. I'm very interested in the contrast because that is what helps in the shade of a tree, early morning, late evening shooting.
    The Weaver Tactical and Super Slam models are nice optics.I wouldn't give the Counter Sniper scope the time of day.Cheap Chinese crap.
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