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Old 12-28-2003, 02:36 AM
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DANTEC, I choose the .338 Lapua for this and this reason only. While S1 was still on this site I began to read his topic on the .30 Wolf and became really interested in it, but after thinking about it I decided that i didn't want to mess around with the fireforming and case prep. Since the .338 Lapua was the parent case I just choose to stick with it because, it had no belt, good brass, and was powerful enough to take to long rangess. I believe the SN-9 that I got has 100 MOA on it instead of 250, but I could be wrong. What calibers do you shoot?
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Old 12-28-2003, 03:27 AM
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Nighhawk

when you choose a caliber you check bullet BC / case capacity to get interesting velocity if the goal is real long range

338 LM with 250 gr Scenar is good but not amazing and 338 LM need BIG receiver to be SAFE for shooting use ( steel fatigue is safety problem )
with 300 SMK velocity is not amazing at all case is too small

if that just to shoot paper or steel gong a 300 Ultra can do the same with a regular mag action and with less money

I shoot caliber most are 222 REM , 6 Norma BR , 243 WIN , 6.5/08 , 6.5/06 , 6.5/300 , 7 REM MAG , 300 WIN MAG , 300 Ultra , and 510 DTC Europ ( an IMP 50 BMG design for shooting target ) I have one 338 LM ( not aazing caliber ) and I plan to rechmber soon in 338 LM Rogue but for ultra long range 338/378 Wea is abetter choice if you doesn t want to fire form

I work on 30.338 LM IMP for 1 mile shooting too but actually my 6.5/300 WIN YUMA is enought to make nice holes in paper at 1600 meters

and if you plan to practice and shoot a lot 338 LM is far not the best caliber except if you are rich

last question : SN9 is very hight on receiver that perhaps a clever idea to try if you can reach the optic axis with your yee without very hight check piece and very hight check piece is not th ebest cofort to shoot prone ...

my original project with SN9 ( before USO deliver failure !!!!!!!!........) was to built a 338/50 BMG short for 2500 meters shooting I have restart the project with home made canted base ( from 0 to 120 moa by 20 moa step ) and IOR scope and for diffrence between my set up and the SN9 I have put money in the rifle .

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Old 12-28-2003, 06:21 AM
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Naw, first round is on me Blaine. To paraphrase our former *Kommander in cheek*, you have had to feel enough pain.

Honestly, a few years back I myself was very, very ( perhaps too ) close to putting in an order for a SN-3 MK IV. Fortunately, the reports began to surface on forums such as this and I listen to what other USO users were saying. That saved me a lot of pain!

As far as the lawsuits go, I’ve never met anybody outside of prison inmates that honestly believed that this country needs more litigation. But we do need to take into account that while USO’s management is fully aware of these conversations and product failures, their response is typical with past procedures; Look for changes “on the web”. IE, expect more litigation. Also notice how they completely ignored your request for assistance on Snipers Hide with your link to this URL. What could be more revealing?

I can’t fault you for your hope that they will eventually get their products to work correctly. As I said before, if their products actually did work as advertised, they could be the dominating scope on the market. But it’s abundantly clear that they are gambling on enough of their customers not being aware of the defects, overly forgiving of the defects in light of other features, or are afraid to debate they are right over a man with a supposed PHD. If those solutions fail, then gag those who resist with litigation. Hence, the reason for their renewed efforts for “changes on the web”. It is for these reasons that I personally believe that this community may be better off if USO folded. The perceived benefit - with the Kerr Culled, the our fellow shooters wont be distracted by their propaganda and will then select from the line of quality products currently available from other manufacturers.

I’d also like to thank you Blaine for your honesty and congeniality. I will admit that such attributes are rare in a USO thread! [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img] LOL!

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John
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Old 12-28-2003, 10:55 AM
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John M.,
I think the shooting community would be better off in USO stays around and gets their QC and customer service together - I haven't had any problems with their products or service, but others here have. I think JBW3 has been quite a boost in the customer service area, now they just need to make sure that every scope leaving the shop has been thoroughly checked for tracking, etc. etc. There is no reason for this not to happen with the prices they are charging.

Regardless of the various complaints, they offer products no one else does - for that reason alone they need to remain a part of the community, at least until someone else offers a full custom optics service. It sbad enough that the anti-gun foilks are attacking the industry - lets not help them out or eventually we will be posted threads about scopes we used to post on our guns before the gov't took them away.

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Old 12-28-2003, 11:00 AM
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Other ways do exist in order to have enough MOA for longer ranges other than having it in the scope. Custom made inclined bases (Badger, Near, USO, IOR, , adjustable base (USO makes this), or adjustable rings (Ivey/Barrett/Burris).

For KISS I would expect that fixed rings and a fixed base with all the adjustments in the scope tube would be better. but $$$$ ouch. This was posted at another site but it is the new USO online catalog, eyecandy? USO

When I was shopping for a scope I was looking at both the NXS and the ST-10 with a few options. The end result was that USO was not open during the time I was able to use a phone, so for convenience I ordered the NXS. The NXS is truly a heavy duty scope with emphasis on heavy. (extra metal added to prevent damage) If I happen to buy one more rifle in the future I will have to try the ST-10 or a S&B PMII Gen III.

Like I said earlier, the only way to truly evaluate these scopes will to be buy one each then totally disassemble them looking for anything and everything, and even measure the glass. (I don't know anyone who would do this.) USO goes into detail in their catalog about the internal specs of their scopes, I would like to see NF do the same.
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