You owe me no apology. Your post I've seen were honest and forthright, nor did you attempt to conceal pertinent facts. You most certainly did not start this war as this has been long festering with little change over the years. Also, I appreciate your warning on the upcoming litigation against me and my associates. Hardly surprising though considering the source.
I do hope your SN-9 works out for you - but remember, those who speak ill of the sacred scopes must be damned, Or at least in some peoples opinion. [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img]
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR> My solution was to write a program that allowed me to set the actual click value of my scope and have the output in terms of my turret so I wouldn't be hampered with this deviation. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I guess I can understand how that would work. But isnít that the wrong way of addressing the problem? Long ago, our Government set forward a Bureau of Weights & Measures to standardize measuring devices. Imagine if we accepted USOís NONSPECIFIC measurements across the board.
One gas stations Gallon may equal to anotherís Pint.
Every hardware store would have their own 4x8 size of plywood, none the same size as others.
When ordering shoes, you may be a size 4 or perhaps a 36.
An inch could be as short as your thumbnail, or as long as your driveway.
You get the picture.
Now, apparently you have received software engineering training that allows you to write such programs. ( I downloaded the sample program by the way, very nice you data closely matches my actual dope ) but as for me, I donít have such programming skills. So I rely on known standardized measurements such as inches, meters, gallons or in this case ĖMinute Of Angle. If USO decides to use their own standard of measurements, then why are they not advertised as USO Ė MOA, or as noted earlier when comparing mine and your discrepancies, not even consistent between their own scopes?
For the life of me can not see what good a scope with non specific adjustments is! Another example: We are shooting at 625 yards me with my rifle & scope, you with yours. To make the example easy, weíll say both scopes are ľ moa clicks. Now coincidently, we notice that both out splash is off 3 Ĺ inches left. As per my training I pull out a sheet of paper or pocket calculator and divide correction needed in inches divided by range in hundreds of yards to acquire correction needed in MOA; 3.5 / 6.25 = 0.56Ö so I come left two clicks, *bang* Hit on steel. But unless you have you laptop with you, Iíd say youíre S-O-L. Also, as your spotter, I am completely unable to help you.
USO customers should not have to be able to write special programs just to calculate trajectory adjustments. Itís the job of the people at the factory to make sure their product track at the increments they advertise.
Again, Iím not trying to offend anyone, just present my points in the strongest possible terms.
I'm going to build a house. I had my choice of tape measures, one was $7, one was $8, another was $8.75. Then they had the Super deluxe tape measure that measures for you and also makes you breakfast - $26.
One problem of the Super Deluxe tape measure is that is incorrectly calibrated. Each inch was actually .92135". So I bought the Super Deluxe anyway and wrote a computer program to correct the measurment differences.
When I posted my results, a bunch of homebuilers loyal to the super deluxe joined in to defend this product, and I GOT SUED!
One guy even defended the product that he never actually used...because he never received his wood! I guess he figures its the best because it cost the most.
I think maybe we are seeing different perspectives in approaching the problem. As I said, I want the company to succeed. So while I certainly agree that product problems are legitimate topics of discussion, I've seen some posts on other forums that are incredibly vicious and destructive in their negativity. I choose to come at the problem from the other direction. There are many great things to say about the product. I assume that the powers that be at USO want to correct the problems and are working on them. I assume that they want their scopes to be competitive and are working on the cost aspects as well. So, I see a product that is fundamentally superior with deficiencies to correct, but a product with tremendous potential. And I wish them well as they work on these challenges. Some who contribute to these threads, on the other hand, seem to want to see the company fail. What motivates these folks, I haven't a clue.
I would really like to see an American company produce the finest scopes in the world and I think USO can be that company. But it takes time for any company to "arrive," so to speak. Most of the European scope makers have been making scopes for decades, in some cases for over a century; USO is new on the scene and from what I can see, they are poised to challenge these giants in the optical world. Well, good on 'em.
It is possible to be critical in a supportive way and I would hope that we as a community can move away from the rabid attacks that serve little purpose other than to inflict as much damage as possible and shift instead into positive, healthy criticism. As consumers, we can only benefit from the latter approach. It does not serve our interests to have fewer choices in the marketplace.
a hight scope maker full US made is a good point
a real custom maker of optic systeme is a good point
real strong scope maker is good thing if that match with hight quality optic
6 year ago I had think to have discover THE CUSTOM MAKER in USA able to do the BEST and try to work with this product but
BAD POINTS are :
un serious company sorry to say you that :
answering to a customer that is order is "LOOSE" is the most unserious anwser they can make specilay with 50% of deposit
do not delivery stample for a show is an unacpetable fact in business .
un honnest company to deliver unquality untested product or product wich not match with order ou specs ( mistake in clics value , worm out parts , msiatke in specs ... ).
un honnest company to mix quotation and SIGNED order and want to keep deposit even without delivery anything !!!...
un serious company and un trust company garanty : I can perfectly understand problems because problem is often humman facts but surely just PAY TOP PRICE without servive or even customer respect and get any come back on garanty even if it is not life time garanty .
Idea of real US custom scope maker is surely good thing and a interesting project but reality with USO is WORTH