Sorry DANTEC, I guess I don't have a brain so I don't really know how to use this keyboard and write anything. I never said that USO was better than something else if you don't want one don't buy one. I could really care less about the .408 at this point. And yes I do shoot, if I didn't I wouldn't be on this board or any other. Just because I'm a jackass kid doesn't mean I come on here and say I have what I don't and don't shoot when I do as much as possible. I'm a little busy with things right now so I can't go shooting every day, besides the range I go to is closed until March. Switchblade, things would be going a lot better if I never bothered to post on this topic at all, plus this is the second Christmas that my dad won't be here so things are not really good around this time of the year. How are you doing? Where are you in the black on the end?? I can't see you. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] Sorry to everyone if I had just rambled on about things.
a whisper from this little friend of mine goes a lot way.
the goal of a forum is to SHARE real informations and KILL unhonnest company
that too easy to let think that something is the very best of ? just with some big nice pictures and costly adds and let people put money in a ghost product ,
result is unhappy customer , loose of interest for our spare time , closed factory of real good stuff because customer loose trust and JUST more rich ghost stuff dealer who after to have make money in shooting business wil became car dealer or tire dealer no problem as soon they make money
when I split on a company be sure that not just for fun or because my first coffe in the norming was too hot but enought is enought and I tired to read amazing adds performance fom company which are not able to delivery anything good and any thing in ratio of the price they charge or company as LRB which sale bullet at 2 buck each without to be able to publish any serious data except we have a patent on .... that the real question
and take care
Merry Chrismass and hoppes your present will be not a faulty USO
At this point, I think USO just needs to be honest with everyone, to stay in the market.
I hear complaints from folks that know scopes and tactical weapons, that they have sent scopes back with problems, only to get the scope back "fixed" and a note saying no problem found.
I guess with that you can claim a clean record.
I truely believe, USO may be making a great scope. Does it need to cost $2500+, I don't know. I think you can take this pricing to far. Maybe they don't want to sell alot of scopes. Maybe they are satisfied with the number of scopes, they are turning out.
To target the folks at SP, SH, SC and longrange shooters. I think they need only to make a few models, make them afordable, dependable and admit when there is a problem.
I think IMO, the average longrange shooter, will pay upwards to $1,500 for a scope that will take him futher then whats on the mass produced market today.
I believe I read at SP, where at the last tactical match in Tx, 3 USO scope failed. There appears to be a real problem here, and someone in the company need to admit it and fix it. Then come out in the open and say straight up ...this is what happened and we have corrected it. Now if they start failing on weapons our soldiers are using and LE, price doesn't mean crap.
Honesty one way or the other will prevail. I would like to see John111 make this company work, I think he is trying real hard to do this. Right now everyone is waiting to see what he says next, concerning the failed scopes at the Tactical match. I hope for his sakes he tells it straight. If he does I think it will go over alot better for him and the company.
[ 12-21-2003: Message edited by: Vern Harrison ]
The only thing a hand gun is good for is fighting your way to a good rifle!
How many folks out there agree with Vern and believe that USO should limit their product line and move to a mass (or semi-mass) production line outfit? Dantec made the same recommendation a few posts back...
Am I the only guy here who thinks that USO's market niche is offering a truly custom scope - they offer things that no other manufacturer offers - i.e. "tell us what you want/need and we will build it for you if its physically possible." It may cost more than you would like, and take longer than you would like, but in the end, you are getting a custom item made for you - and you alone.
It is precisely this reason why I favor USO scopes on ultra long range guns - they will give me a scope with 200+MOA, reticle of choice, illumination or not, etc. etc. Is this process cheap - never; not with optics, not with guns, not with clothing, not with...anything.
I have had nothing but good luck with the USO products I have used, and customer service has improved greatly in recent times...YMMV (and has based upon posts from other members). Customer service and support will always be needed in this area, and honesty always goes a long way towards keeping your customers satisfied. They may not be happy with what they are paying, or projected delivery time, but in the end they will be satisfied if you are honest and deliver a great product as promised.
JW3: Please keep your company headed in the right direction, and stick to your business model - the marketplace needs someone who will provide a true custom product - most average shooters don't need it, and will bitch about the cost, but those that do need it will pay for it, and understand why a custom scope costs more than a high quality mass production item. Why compete for market share in the mass production arena when you absolutely own the custom market? The ST10 is a good crossover product for potential USO custom users, but don't loose sight (no pun intended) of the guys who need and appreciate truly custom products.
I mounted the scope and found that I was totally out of Windage and elevation. The scope was as far down as it would go and all the way to the left and still wouldn't center on the bore sighter.
I took it to the range to test it even further and it wasn't on the paper at all and this at 50 yards. I rechecked it with the bore sighter and still it wouldn't center. So I took the bolt out of the rifle and bore sighted it at 100 yards by looking down the bore and moving the scope until I got the same picture in the scope as I had in the bore.
Then I put the rifle back together and surprise I was on the paper, but a foot low and 8 inches left. I cranked the scope up about 12 moa up and 15 moa right and was in the black. I then moved the rifle to the 100 yard line and made the final corrections for 100 and everything is fine.
The bore sighter, a magnetic one is in the trash.
If I hadn't worked through the problem, I would have sent the scope back and later gotten a note saying that there was nothing wrong with the scope. Virtually every problem I had with a new USO scope could be traced to some form of mounting problem. I mentioned the difficulty getting the AR10 to take the Roll OFF mount to the Factory on the phone before I took it to the range and they said the gun manufacturer sometimes has problems with their rail straightness. This of course, was not the problem either. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
The knowledge about mounting problems of one form or another being the cause of most problems with these scopes has saved me a ton in postage.
Other than Mushy clicks on one ST-10, I have never had problems with a USO scope. Had I been expecting difficulties I would have been one of those getting my scope back with a letter saying there was nothing wrong with it.
Another problem I had with the failure of a scope had to do with it not fitting on the rail. What I didn't realize at the time was that the scope was too far forward and the big power changing knob was hitting the rail. It was funny because at that very minute there was a guy that wanted to look through the scope and at the same time I was fighting the mounting problem. Unfortunately I must have seemed rude to him, but I just couldn't get the thing to set on the rifle properly. The after looking at the thing for a few minutes in a less stressful mode, I saw what the problem was, moved the scopes back a little and everything was fine. The problem was that it wasn't missing by much, and the rings would actually lock up, but not seat totally. Frustrating, especially when this guy almost insisted in looking through the scope at that very time.
I have a friend that is having a problem with a ST-10 EREK. He is having a problem getting it adjusted properly, but I think there is a possible problem with the instructions that came with the scope. That may have to be changed, or at least the verbal instructions he got are reversed from written instructions, we don't know yet.
It these cases there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the scopes, they all worked fine.
This of course is not to say that every problem with these scopes is a mounting problem, just everyone that I have had. I can only speak from personal experience.
I now have 8 USO scopes.
DAN TEC's big problem with USO, however appears to be the result of some business relationship issues between a Salesman and his principal and nothing whatever to do with product quality. What a novel situation that is! [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
[ 12-22-2003: Message edited by: DMCI ]
People slept peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stood ready to do violence on their behalf. -- George Orwell
We honor and support those men and women who stand ready to do violence on behalf of the United States.
I agree with you about mounting problems - these can happen with any maker's scopes and is a source of frustration, aggravation, wasted money on postage, etc. The first scope I ever mounted was a 10X Khales on a Rem700 police. Thought I was joe cool sniper with my high dollar Euro scope (this was long before the days where almost every police sniper gun had a Loopy on it.) Ran into the same problems you did until the local range gunsmith helped me out. I was on the verge of throwing that scope into the woods when that kind gentleman took pity on me and helped me out. :-)
After re-reading most of Dantec's posts...well I think he's just pissed off and flaming USO because he is bitter - but its a free country brother, and he has every right in the world to do so. I have since lumped him and his opinions into the "woman scorned" category - he is so pissed off that he will never be objective, get closure, and take every chance to tell you how he was screwed over.
I just think its funny that he is pissed at the 5% dealer discount, etc. etc. and yet he still chose to be a USO agent for France (or EU or whatever). If he had half a brain he would have realized all of the additional costs dealing with imporation hassles, paperwork, translation, etc. and would have known that 5% wouldn't cut it. If he was promised twenty percent one day and then told five percent the next, he should have walked away as well. Maybe we don't have all the facts or I missed something, but thats what I have gathered from his posts...it seems he did get a raw deal or miscommunication with USO, but if he was dealing with JW sr. that doesn't surprise me...but to continually flame the company just takes up bandwidth. Sever your business relationship, find a better supplier, tell folks about your experience once or twice as a warning or friendly advice, and then let it go for pete's sake.
I would like to hear his .408 story if he could write it without having to bitch every other sentence. :-) Then again, he thinks all militaries are made of money, and that a custom scope manufacturer (USO) has the mass production facillities to offer their scopes as OEM items on AI rifles...so maybe his perception of reality and mine differ far to greatly for his opinions to be of use.
How long have you been a USO customer? Eight USO scopes is some serious coin, so you must be extremely satisfied with their products and service. Have you noticed any changes (good or bad) since JW3 took over the helm? Hit me offline if you want at firstname.lastname@example.org