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Ultimate Scope, input please

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Unread 03-25-2005, 08:52 AM
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Re: Ultimate Scope, input please

For target shooting could something better than a NXS be done, like.

.5x zoom ratio, say 7-35 or 10-50
.A more precise side parallax system where the lens is not moved on a transverse fork bar. (May be some form of spring and cam system). To stop backlash issues and slop under recoil as with loopy etc.
. APO lens`s. The extra lens would be worth the weight.
. May be something other than a round center tube, being round you get a restriction towards the ends of elevation / windage adjustments due to the round tube. Some form of square tube and erector cell may give max amount of adjustment. Anyway similar or more MOA adjustment than NXS needed.
. S&B PM2 turrets and lit reticle system.
. Keep the euro adjustable eyepiece +/- 4 diaopter range. Also keep the zoom ring as normal, not NXS style.
. On the wish list would a 2x converter (like Swarovski have on their binos be possible) without magnifying the reticle. Imagine you could have a 5-25x scope that would become 10-50x. The 2x could be an add-on or integral to the scope.

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Unread 03-25-2005, 11:10 AM
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I thought about a "doubler type" system/lense too but I can't quite figure out how it'd work and be repeatable under removal and re-installation. I guess we'll leave that to the engineers if they can figure it out.

I also wonder a bit about airtight lens covers and the propensity of them to fog up under changing atmospheric conditions. I guess a fella could install them in a dehumidified weather condition or chamber but other than that I think they'll fog a bit if sealed. Maybe a screw-on lens cover with breathable but waterproof side vents like those on tactical goggles.

Ian's post about the integral scope ring thing so the scope can be mounted plumb had me thinking too. At first I though that a scope tube with two attachment points like fixed rings but then I think of how often I need the rings at varying distances so the fixed rings seemed to fail that test. But now I'm thinking of a Picatinny type rail type system milled right into the scope body. The rings are nothing more than two Picatinny clamps back-to-back, one side clamps to the rifle base while the other side clamps to the scope. (More low probability wish stuff of questionable value I guess.)

A non-slack parallax system would be nice, I need to adjust mine every few shots on the Leupolds (I don't notice any such need on the NXS).

IF... there were an external type doubler lens system I'd rather have that than an internal variable system. I'd much rather have a VERY tough single power internals scope that can be manually boosted, than a FAIRLY tough variable power scope. I DO NOT have a need for a fixed power scope either at the high end or low end, I'd like to be able to stalk hunt on low power (4x or so) and be able to long range hunt/shoot at 16x to 24x...I don't relly ever use the in-between powers... all or none it seems. "Make a fixed power scope that I can drive nails with and then make a screw on external lens (or lenses) that I can add to boost the power 2x, 4x, 6x, etc."
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Unread 03-25-2005, 12:43 PM
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Re: Ultimate Scope, input please

Some of what you guys ar asking for is already available, the Germans have been using a rail system for mounting scopes for years, its called a "schiene" but has been a dove tail either male or female. I can see a point to Dave's picatinny, damn good idea Dave.. thats exactly why i posted the question, i knew you guys would come up with the best ideas. It would need some new mounting/fixing hardware, but i bet Marty could come up with that.
The magnification doubler has been available here for years, but i much prefer a spotting scope. I would,if the doublerwas to be an option, have it clamp around the eyepiece like some of the NVD's do. Pete
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Unread 03-25-2005, 02:06 PM
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Re: Ultimate Scope, input please

Pete, For a true hunting situation, it would be great to have a 3X9 or 4X10 in a small 1" tube variety that is small and light (like the Swarovski AV 3X9). Short and light works great on these short mag type rifles if you plan on carrying it (like the Montana 8400). A heavy scope just doesn't make sense. Burris just brought out a line, but quality, field of view, and optics just isn't there. A 32mm objective for mounting low, around 11-12 ounces, quality optics and glass, mildot reticle, high quality adjustments, etc. would sell in this country. Swarovski just announced their TDS reticle in the AV 3X9. Up to this year they kept saying no way. The market must have changed their mind. I much prefer a good quality etched mildot over the TDS given a choice. Just some thoughts. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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