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Ultimate Scope, input please

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Unread 03-23-2005, 09:11 AM
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Ultimate Scope, input please

Guys and Gals.. i am currently fairly well involved with a european optics manufacturer. the intention is to introduce a line of hunting and tactical scopes. we are looking at whats already available and what is desirable but not available. this is a chance to have a line of scopes developed from the ground up to meet certain specifications. What would you guys want. Objective size, tube diameter, magnification range, adjustement type etc. We can use info at the design and market research stage, I'm asking for longrange hunting's input on this, come on folks this is a real opertunity to get what we want in a scope without comprimise.
Thanks Pete
Occupying the British Zone. www.roedaleprecision.com
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Unread 03-23-2005, 10:10 AM
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Re: Ultimate Scope, input please


Thanks for this opportunity.

My thoughts, basic first then wish list:

1. Non-rotating ocular when power is changed OR integral lense cover with non-position sensitive release mechanism. Maybe a lense cover system thats screw in like a shade, a very short shade with a lid.)

2. Large "knobs" for elevation, windage and parallax (if parallax is an option) with caps that can be used or left at home. (Like Mark 4 type but with caps so tight transport options like scabbards and such don't screw things up.)

3. A "zero" stop.

4. Large tube (30mm minimum) but a small(ish) objective (40mm) so we can get a low mount.

5. Non/low change in eye relief on power change.

6. NON-canted reticle, quality reticle installation, not more than + or - 2 degrees or so.

7. Finish... matte OD would be a nice color option (Wish list: a slip on/around scopesleeve of heavy plastic with embedded color).

8. Power range(s), 2.5 x 10, 4 x 16, 6 x 24, ??

9. Calibrated reticle(s), Mil-Dot, MOA, ?? (Wish list: Add enough dots/lines to the vertical component to allow use of the entire viewable reticle rather than "wasting" the top and bottom. Add enough lines/dots to the horizontal reticle to use it for fast movers, 10 20 30 mph (15 to 20 MILs lead).

10. A TOUGH main tube and innards, no worry about bending or crushing the tube on rough use.

11. Extra springs for the erection tube on all planes so absolute return to zero and repeatability.


1. Internal (calibrated/accurate) graduated Cant indicator

2. Internal (calibrated/accurate) graduated Inclinometer

3. Installable filters, Polarized, etc

4. Internal compass (it's a wish list!)

5. Matching spotting scope system or a cradle/clamshell housing to use a spare scope as a spotting scope. (We should be able to call "bearing" and incline "angle" to get spotter and shooter on target together.)

Enough for now.
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Unread 03-23-2005, 10:41 AM
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Re: Ultimate Scope, input please

Hmm, would that be S&B?

Very much agreeing with Dave King - and wouldn't mind seeing a OD green scope either.

Single turn MIL knobs, 0,1 MIL clicks.
Type German 7 crosshair with vertical post 1 MIL below center for quick adjustments in dialed in range.
Plenty room for windage/ lead. Solid posts at 5 mil that extend below and above vertical line.
Choke-type range estimator - it's just as accurate as a mildot but faster when using the killzone the trajectory offers. When you have the time, most people laser anyway.

It'll be a fast reticle for last second correction. After all, you put down a baseline calculation and make correction on the scope - longrange isn't looking through a scope and blasting away.

Provisions for sunshade and truly watertight lens covers.
And what I would really like (that we won't see on the civilian market):
Integrated barometer and termostat with calculator microchip to automaticly show corrected comeups.
HUD that shows present input.
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Unread 03-23-2005, 12:01 PM
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Re: Ultimate Scope, input please

I think Dave was reading my mind on most of the thougths...

OD green would be nice or....

A scope built to with stand a heat treatment of teflon coating.. there for you could match your rifles colors exactly.. again wish list qualified...

I will second the
30mm or 34/5 mm tube...

reticle options such as...
MLR (type )
MOA (type )
mil-dot ( gen 1 and 2 )
I also would like to see on the verticle cross hair.. increments of 1 moa, 5moa, 10 moa
then on the horizontal 1moa, 5moa
etched glass of course...
Lit as well red or green option..

I would change nothing about S&B's power ring adjustment system.

haveing S&B scopes... I feel their turrets are paralled by none... wide. yet low.... hard firm clicks....
the yellow window corresponding with the yellow numbers is simply incredible....

I like the automated easy zero stop feature as well....

I would like to see a 40mm/42mm/44mm objective as Dave mentions... low is good.. the lower the better....

an affordable matching spotting scope is a paramount idea.. with the option to have the same ret. installed....
a 10-30X power range...

wish list as well....

I would like to see a small level installed internally... this level would be calibrated with the ret. installed, therefore is the ret. has an error of 1* or 2* the level would have the same error...

given the lists from above and including mine..

I see this ultimate scope/spotting scope feature..
costing the consumer... $5000-$7000 as a package.

anyway to keep the cost reasonable...??

ok so my thoughts were more scattered than Daves but hell I got all excited about someone listening to my input.. ok ok.. at least letting me thing they will listen.... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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Unread 03-23-2005, 12:27 PM
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Re: Ultimate Scope, input please

Well hell if a guy is going to dream in print, why not a laser range finder in the scope. You would not have to take your eye off target to range, we already know the other conditions before we sight the target. Just seems the final solution to what would be a great scope. P.S. has to weigh under two pounds. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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Unread 03-23-2005, 03:00 PM
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Re: Ultimate Scope, input please

Great ideas above, but adding the range finder into the scope sounds like the best idea to me. Should be easy to do. Activation button should be near the trigger area on the rifle so your trigger finger could depress it, but make it so it is clearly identifiable from trigger (think safety). Add to that a drop calculator with software that allows you to input your load data (when you put the scope on another rifle you change your load data).

Then all you do is aim your scope at a target, you press the ranging button, you get a distance read out in your scope, and in the same instant your calculator tells you how many clicks to adjust your turrets to hit the target.

Should be possible with all the miniture circuitry available out there.

When can we put our orders in???? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Unread 03-23-2005, 04:33 PM
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Re: Ultimate Scope, input please

Bloody hell, great ideas [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img], let's make it a particle-beam weapon too [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Ideal scope:

4-16 S&B PM2 technology in a less club-sized heavyweight package.
Keep the 34mm tube, put the rest on a photocopier and reduce to 85% of current size.

ie 42mm objective and shorter with reduced size turrets.

Like the OD green idea (S&B used to do that?).
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