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Old 05-19-2013, 07:05 PM
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Re: scope for first elk hunt

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I'm going to New Mexico. The guide says that most bulls are 330 to 380 class, but there have been some 400 class bulls killed. Since this is my first rifle elk hunt, I just hope to have a good shot at a decent bull. He says that in the mornings its not untypical to hear 50 bulls bugling. I'm having a new match grade barrel put on my rifle and trying to learn some advanced techniques for reloading and making sure I've got a scope that is good enough. I'm trying to cover all my bases for this hunt.
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Old 05-19-2013, 07:13 PM
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Broz,
I'm going to New Mexico. The guide says that most bulls are 330 to 380 class, but there have been some 400 class bulls killed. Since this is my first rifle elk hunt, I just hope to have a good shot at a decent bull. He says that in the mornings its not untypical to hear 50 bulls bugling. I'm having a new match grade barrel put on my rifle and trying to learn some advanced techniques for reloading and making sure I've got a scope that is good enough. I'm trying to cover all my bases for this hunt.
Those are great bulls. 50 bulls bugling would be something to hear. That would be cool. So it is a game farm?

That 4.5x14 Zeiss is all you need to get to 400 yards with a 300 win and a good load.

Jeff
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Old 05-19-2013, 07:22 PM
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Re: scope for first elk hunt

I don't know much about the Eliminator but I would not buy one. Especially until they've been used more and more feed back is available.

I am a little skeptical about putting range finding technology into a scope that is enduring 300 WM recoil for one. I am also skeptical as to how reliable it is in actually being able to range and in what conditions. Also, to the best of my knowledge, you can not customize YOUR load and environmental conditions. I would never use this scope for more serious LR shooting.

IMO, you are better off with a good rangefinder like a Leica 1600, which under good conditions will range to 1700+ and easily range to 500 under almost any conditions, and a good basic scope. If you have more than one rifle then you will have a range finder for each.

Not hard to hold over to 500 yds. Let's walk through it. Elk body is 30" deep. Mid body is 15" from top of back. If you are shooting a 180 gr bullet with a BC of .5 @ 5000' elevation and a temp of 30*, your bullet will drop 14.8 inches @ 450 yds. Place your windage (vertical) reticle on the seem of the shoulder and the elevation reticle on the back and you are smack in the middle of the vitals. At 500 yds, your bullet will drop an additional 7". Hold over the back an estimated 7" (or about 1/4 the body) with the windage reticle on the shoulder seem. This should be very routine if your rifle is capable of MOA or better. At 500 yds, 10 mph of wind will move the bullet about 12".

You could maybe get a BDC turret for your scope and simply dial the yardage. That would be a better investment than the Eliminator IMO

A bull elk has a large kill zone. Google elk anatomy.
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Old 05-19-2013, 07:34 PM
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Re: scope for first elk hunt

I'd have target turrets put on the Zeiss with a Kenton Industries turret matched to your load. You can have Zeiss put the turrets on, or I believe that Kenton will do it as well. Check lead time and pricing from each.

Having said that, I sighted in my 340 Wby with the same scope as yours at 250 yards last fall. That puts you with a dead elk out to 300 yards and based on previous hunts I thought I'd probably be fine.

Of course, my only shot was at 400-450 yards. I pulled out my trusty iPhone, inputted the range into the Shooter program, unscrewed the regular cap from the dial and dialed up the right number of clicks for the shot. Got my elk, too. I will not do that next time, though. I've already purchased another Zeiss with target turrets for my 340 so that I don't have to wonder if I dialed the little adjuster the correct number of clicks.

http://kentonindustries.com/

What outfitter are you using?
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Those are great bulls. 50 bulls bugling would be something to hear. That would be cool. So it is a game farm?

That 4.5x14 Zeiss is all you need to get to 400 yards with a 300 win and a good load.

Jeff
It is. I've heard it Someday during the rut, drive down to 4 Corners and get on the River Road on the West side of the Gallatin and drive South toward the Canyon. Turner owns almost all that land and there are some big hay fields that usually hold up to 1000 elk or more. They will be out there bugling at first light. Really cool!
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Old 05-19-2013, 07:55 PM
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Re: scope for first elk hunt

Based on your post in the reloading section, I would find a load your are confident in. Then practice with it. Find the setup you are comfortable taking a clean 500 yrd. shot with. If its a laser range finding rifle scope or a scope with circles and lines all over. It comes down to practice. My dad is 62 and he makes shots with his ol 270 with a 3x9 leupold vx1 that surprise the heck outa me. He just knows his rig very well.
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Old 05-19-2013, 08:09 PM
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Re: scope for first elk hunt

What unit in Nm???? I may be wrong, but I think Nm prohibits any electrical mount on the scope. ie eliminator is illegal. Even if not, I think you are better off following these guys' advice and learn a load and be comfortable out to 400 yards. You will be fine. The guides should get you to with in that range.

I'll be in 6b in October. Good luck
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