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Unread 03-02-2008, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by John H View Post
New to the site. I'm very impressed with the knowledge base here.

I'm thinking of upgrading the scope on my .300 winnie (model 70 classic stainless.) It's wearing a Leupold VX II 3-9 x 40 plex now. I'm considering something in a 4.5-14 x 50. The reticle choices are confusing at best. The rifle is mostly used for elk hunting in western Montana. I'd like to get the rifle dialed in to where a 500 to 600 yd shot is doable. Might do some longer distance paper punching.

I like the look of the tactical milling reticle - but we are getting into the $1000 + range for a scope, I'd like to get closer to $750 - $800. I don't know how I feel about the B&C type reticles - Are they really any improvement over just using the top of the plex? ( I have a range card for my plex scope based on 4 power drop using the cross hairs and drop using the lower plex, and again for 8 power - it assumes that the scope really is 4 power and 8 power when the power ring is set there)

I have a range finder, so I'm not sure I really need any better range finding capability on the scope than what you can do with a plex reticle. I figure if its under 300 -350 yds I'm pretty much point blank - If its over that, I hope there is time enough to use the rangefinder and think the shot through.

I think you covered it all "the reticle choices are confusing at best"

"Id like to get the rifle dialed in to where a 500 - 600 yd shot is doable"
Dialed in is just that turn the turrets

Multiple range cards are a bad idea

Point blank range doesn't have to be pretty much point blank Dial up and hold POA=POI

As you can see from the range reticle above you need to be on a set power and as you get out further there is a lot of air between readings.

You can send your scope out and have target turrets installed by Leupold

If it were me I would Dial up and kill it (KISS) I've hunted with enough people and seen enough missed due to Reticles, multiple range cards and splitting dialing and reticle adjustments to keep me doing what i'm doing. Some may not agree and if it works for them great.

But when it comes down to it it's hard to beat a Duplex with target / tactical turrets, rangefinder and a proven live fire drop chart. Just my .02
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Unread 03-02-2008, 08:57 AM
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How repeatable or stable is the VXIII in respects to using the turrets? Does they generally pass the test?
The V3 "long range" comes with dial up turrets and side focus for parallax adjustment. The V3 longrange is a very good scope and will do what you are asking very well. On the V3, I just use the standard plex and dial all my shots. For hunting close range in timber, the larger duplex will help for those fading light shots. I don't hunt elk in timber anymore but a little eastern whitetail in the timber is a lot harder to see than an elk and the V3 will do that just fine.

I dial the knobs a lot for antelope hunting and the scope is perfect. In a day the knobs may go up and down four or five times and sometimes I may even shot, but mostly, I am just getting ready and don't shoot.

So, if you want to keep the cost down and go with a simple and fast solution, buy the V3 Longrange that you suggest with the standard plex and tape your drop chart to your stock and dial the turrets. It takes a little while to get set up for a 800 yard shot no matter what method you use and so sometimes you wind up with the animal just walking off while you are fiddling with gear but that is just the way hunting is. I have had plenty of animals just move off while I was rummaging around for gear or trying to find where I laid my glasses.

I am not saying the Zeiss is a bad scope because I have never hunted with it. I have hunted with the V3 and I know that scope. Just me, I do not particularly like the NF NPR reticles for working in the timber. I have tried it and they are not well suited for that. They are a great long range reticule but not anywhere close to my first choice in heavy timber. A standard plex is so much faster.

I do not believe there is any one perfect scope for everything. If you intend to keep doing what you have been doing which seems to work for you very well then go with a simple and fast scope such as the V3 long range
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Unread 03-02-2008, 01:49 PM
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John H,

I have a winchester model 70 in the 300 win. mag. The scope I went with is the VXIII 4.5-14X50 long range. I have the varmit hunter reticle. I also had the elevation turret put on so there is no guessing. I am really impressed with the varmit hunter reticle. It does a good job with the holdover marks out to about 400 yards. I shot the gun a lot before installing the turret. For hunting I do not like to guess, so any shot over 200 yards I dial my turret. The varmit reticle has some windage marks that work great. I have used it in the timber at close range and it worked great. With a little practice the holdover marks could be very accurate. Just my opinion, leupold makes a great product.

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Unread 03-02-2008, 02:50 PM
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Next fall I will have a VX-3 LR/T with Holland's ART reticle.

The MOA is listed in the reticle every 3MOA with a dot the there is a dash that is half way in between Dot=3MOA, dash=4.5 MOA, Dot=6MOA, dash=7.5MOA, dot=9MOA, etc. Etched glass reticle allows you to see the #'s in the scope to help avoid confusion trying to count.
Works with any cartridge at any at any speed at any elevation, since the reticle is in MOA.
Since it is a second focal plane scope you must have the scope set at its highest magnification for correct MOA subtension with the dots and dashes.

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Unread 03-02-2008, 11:12 PM
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This Holland reticle looks like the TMR reticle available from Leupold. This is the reticle that I'm thinking is going to work for me.

It's a $200 upgrade on the VXIII long range ( I Think) - its available as a standard on the Mk 4.

Thanks all for the input.

I think if I were going to design a scope I'd want 50 mm obj. first focal plane etched TMR like reticle, turrets, 30 mm tube, side focus.


Last edited by John H; 03-02-2008 at 11:16 PM.
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Unread 03-02-2008, 11:27 PM
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There is some similarity to the TMR and the ART. I have had both.
The TMR doesn't have the MOA or in this case MIL's listed in the reticle like the ART reticle does and second, your turret adjustments are in MOA and the reticle is in mils.

As long as you have your drop chart set up it shouldn't be a problem.
I definitely prefer the TMR over the standard mil-dot reticle
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Unread 03-02-2008, 11:29 PM
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Forgot to mention, Leupold has a FFP Mark 4 in 8.5-25 with the TMR reticle and I think a Mark in 6.5-20 FFP also. I'm sure the 4.5-14 will be next if not already in the works.

FFP is my preferred type for LR hunting with a multi-dash/dot reticle also.
I know that Darrell Holland is working on getting the ART reticle ready for the MArk 4 FFP scopes.
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