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Old 01-03-2013, 12:09 PM
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SPECIFICATIONS: 5-25x56 ATACT™
Magnification: 5-25x
Objective Diameter: 56 mm
Exit Pupil Diameter: 5x: 10.52mm; 25x: 2.28mm
Field Of View: 5x: 17.96ft (5.47m) 25x: 4.92ft (1.5 m)
Eye Relief: 3.54in (90 mm)
Internal Adjustment Range: 120MOA elev. 60MOA wind./34.9Mil elev. 17.45Mil wind.
Click Value: .250MOA/.1Mil-Rad
Tube Diameter: 34 mm (1.34in)
Ocular Diameter: 44 mm
Mounting Length: 6.13in/156mm
Weight: 38oz/1077grams
Overall Length: 14.3in/363mm
Reticles: MOAR™/MIL-R™
Illumination: Standard
Zero Stop: Yes
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Old 01-03-2013, 12:10 PM
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the problem with trying to make the scope FFP is that the reticle will wash out at low power, so with FFP you should be using higher power with it anyways why not just hit full power with it. I don't take long range shots and at the same time use the features of the reticle without being at max power. in a perfect world who wouldn't want a reticle that stays the same size in all powers but there are definate down sides to that.

34mm tube size also has nothing to do with increased light transmisson this is a factor of objective lense size and glass quality. Its an interesting market for these I have to ask how many people are buying these uber tactical scopes ie the 34mm tubes horus reticles etc. must be something as bushnell and leupold are almost exclusively focusing the new product in this area. I personally would think a nightforce with a 40mm obj in say the 3-15x range would sell more scopes for nightforce, but then again what do I know. maybe its a function of price with a scope that costs 3 grand you only have to sell half as many vs the regular NXS model.
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Old 01-03-2013, 01:22 PM
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the problem with trying to make the scope FFP is that the reticle will wash out at low power, so with FFP you should be using higher power with it anyways why not just hit full power with it. I don't take long range shots and at the same time use the features of the reticle without being at max power. in a perfect world who wouldn't want a reticle that stays the same size in all powers but there are definate down sides to that.

34mm tube size also has nothing to do with increased light transmisson this is a factor of objective lense size and glass quality. Its an interesting market for these I have to ask how many people are buying these uber tactical scopes ie the 34mm tubes horus reticles etc. must be something as bushnell and leupold are almost exclusively focusing the new product in this area. I personally would think a nightforce with a 40mm obj in say the 3-15x range would sell more scopes for nightforce, but then again what do I know. maybe its a function of price with a scope that costs 3 grand you only have to sell half as many vs the regular NXS model.
I agree with you about the reticle washing out at lower power but that does not mean it is useless. I personally have found I shoot better inside 800yds when I crank the power down a little. For 500yds and under I like 12 power or close to it. I can still use the reticle for quick follow up shots and don't have to worry about having the turret set to any exact position. While hiking from a to b I carry with power set low for quick target acquisition if I jump an animal. It is my opinion that these great reticles are handicapped by SFP. I'm not saying their useless just handicapped. For inside 1000yds which covers 99.9% of hunting situations I feel the FFP and MOAR or similar Mil/Mil setup is the most useful and practical.
All that being said for beyond 1000yds the fine crosshair found in the NPR1 becomes a crucial asset I believe. In my case I'm trying to extend my shooting beyond as far as possible which for my caliber is around 1500 yds on rocks/steel and about 1200 on game. I use the main crosshair 99.9% of the time so for me I feel giving up the positives of the FFP/MOAR is worth gaining a crosshair that is half the thickness. I can still use the reticle for follow up shots and carry it on low power. This is just what I believe will work best for me. YMMV.
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More light transmission and more elevation range seems like a logical reason for the 34mm tube to me.
The erector tube i believe is still the same size. If so then you aren't going to get more light processing through the scope. The erector is probably the same size looking at the amount of travel the scope has. A larger erector would me less travel correct?
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Old 01-05-2013, 03:07 PM
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Here is a pdf giving more explanations regarding the BEAST's new technology. Pretty interesting if you ask me. I am going to have to play with one to determine how useful it will be for LR hunting but I love their ingenuity. You can tell this scope is designed mostly for military applications though and I can see many benefits there.

BEAST-5-25x56F1.pdf

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Old 01-05-2013, 04:24 PM
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I agree Scott. The Beast is quite a scope and its easy to see why the military would find it useful.
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Old 01-05-2013, 05:13 PM
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I would have been happier with a 5.5-22x50 in 30mm tube, moar, and a first focal plane. At a price point that was affordable.

The ATACR will have a very small market, in 2nd FP only, I have shot targets out west to 1900 yards with my 5.5-22, I'm not going to replace my current scopes for an extra 200 yards of elevation at nearly twice the price. I see it's use as ELR shooters who may buy just one of these for there dedicated ELR rig. Definetly not a scope I would drop on a 1000-1200 yard gun.

The "Beast" not sure that the graduations on the dial will be spaced far enough apart for something with 60 moa in one revolution. They better have somthing special to compete with a S&B.

The ATACR if in FFP and priced at $2500- $2800 would sell like hotcakes to the precision rifle shooters/tactical comps. But with 2nd focal plane they are pretty much worthless for that use. And they call it "Advanced Tactical Riflescope"
It's not Tactical if it sucks at that application.
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