Sounds like some good points, but in my brain MOA still fits better. I am wondering why you dont have cramk as much with the mil turrets... what increments are the clicks?

0.1 mil is more than 1/4 moa that why you dont have to crank as much. The down side is it's not as fine. Shame they dont have 0.05 mil turrets.

As for MOA fitting your brain, I dont know how you do it. I have grown up using both and always go toward the way of Metric if I can. Decimal money, Decimal counting, decimal years, Decimal money, Decimal everything but time.

The mil system will work with any measurement except the non decimal stuff. For example 1 mil = 1" at 1000", 1' at 1000', 1 yard at 1000 yards the problem comes when there is 12" to 1', 3' to 1 yard and 1760 yards to the mile.

IMO I would never cross a Mil reticle with MOA turrets. There is plenty of info for using mil dots for range finding but if you start to use the mil dots for hold over and want to use the turrets for in between adjustment, it's too hard to calculate mil and moa as they are to complete different measuring systems.

1 mil at 500m would be 500mm if you need 600mm hold over you could just crank the turrets 0.2mil and use the first mil dot.

I think I'm pushing **** up hill trying to push millradian measurements on a US based forum as I believe you still use imperial measuremnets.

0.1 mil is more than 1/4 moa that why you dont have to crank as much. The down side is it's not as fine. Shame they dont have 0.05 mil turrets.

Yeah, that's what I thought... larger increments. Every time you clicka quarter MOA it moves 2.5" @ 1000 yds and every time you click a .1 mil it moves 3.6" @ 1000yds I like the smaller increments better. But is still doesn't seem like it makes up for turing the turret less than one revolution vs 2 1/2 revolutions for the MOA turret?

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As for MOA fitting your brain, I dont know how you do it. I have grown up using both and always go toward the way of Metric if I can. Decimal money, Decimal counting, decimal years, Decimal money, Decimal everything but time.

Mil isn't metric, this is what is...

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The "Mil" in "Mil-Dot" does not stand for "Military"; it stands for "milliradian." The radian is a unitless measure which is equivalent, in use, to degrees. It tells you how far around a circle you have gone. 2 PI radians = 360 degrees. Using 3.14 as the value of PI, 6.28 radians take you all the way around a circle. Using a cartesian coordinate system, you can use "x"- and "y"-values to define any point on the plane. Radians are used in a coordinate system called "polar coordinates." A point on the plane is defined, in the polar coordinate system, using the radian and the radius. The radian defines the amount of rotation and the radius gives the distance from the origin (in a negative or positive direction).

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The mil system will work with any measurement except the non decimal stuff. For example 1 mil = 1" at 1000", 1' at 1000', 1 yard at 1000 yards the problem comes when there is 12" to 1', 3' to 1 yard and 1760 yards to the mile.

Nope, 1 mil = 36" @ 1000 yds

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Yeah, that's what I thought... larger increments. Every time you clicka quarter MOA it moves 2.5" @ 1000 yds and every time you click a .1 mil it moves 3.6" @ 1000yds I like the smaller increments better. But is still doesn't seem like it makes up for turing the turret less than one revolution vs 2 1/2 revolutions for the MOA turret?

As for MOA fitting your brain, I dont know how you do it. I have grown up using both and always go toward the way of Metric if I can. Decimal money, Decimal counting, decimal years, Decimal money, Decimal everything but time.

Mil isn't metric, this is what is...

Nope, 1 mil = 36" @ 1000 yds

Yep, thats what I said 1 mil = 1 yard at 1000 yards

(36" is 1 yard, 3' is 1 yard)

Agreed Mil isn't Metric but it is a decimal measurement as is Metric.

As for 0.1 mil at 1000 yard being 3.6" why not use 1000m, 0.1 mil is 100mm at 1000m much easier.

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I think the math is easier. 1 MOA = 1.047" @ 100 yds... or for all practicle purposes, 1 MOA equals 1" @ 100 yds, 2" @ 200 yds, 3" @ 300 yds, etc.

I certainly am not trying to argue here but I have found using the 1 MOA = 1" at 100 yards rule of thumb a good way to miss a shot clean at ranges like 800+ yards.

Example: When you have a chart that tells you your bullet drops 300" at 1K and you wish to dial it and you use the one click = .25" at 100 yard rule, you will miss your target by 15". One click is NOT .25" It is .25 MOA which is .26175" You would be off by 6 clicks or roughly 15 inches.

I also am a huge fan of the mil system. I use a MLR reticle and Mil turrets as well. To me it is just much simpler + I can estimate range MUCH easier with the mil system in case my laser takes a dump.

I also highly recomend the MLR over the mildot. It is the same value but with 1/2 mil marks as well plus they are lines instead of dots. Lines cover over less of the target.

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