Re: Nightforce problems.???
S1 and Brent and others
Your doing your homework very well and that setup will work out for you.
I too have used the R2 Reticule in the Nightforce and had the spacing of the 2 MOA horizontal marks and a 500 yrd zero to where I could go to 1450 yrds with holdover. I was using the 240 gr Sierra MK with a BC of .711 to do it plus a velocity of 3250 FPS.
On the other hand, you have LR hunters such as myself that still like to click to the target (animal) rather then use holdover, and count on his spotter such as a sniper team does to see the hit/s.
When doing that, you must have a good military rangefinder to be exact as to distance.
If the shots are only 1000 yds (I don't mean that statement as a smart remark either), that system you mentioned and the bullet will work fine. If you reach out to say double that yardage, it will not because the 180 gr bullet will drop off drastically after 1000 yds and you don't have the line spacing to do it unless you have a 1000 yd zero to start with. Then that bullet won't carry the killing power because of the low foot ponds of energy left. We have killed elk out to 2100 yds using our click system and a 338- 300 gr MK at a starting Velocity of 3310FPS.
I don't like what I call "Junk" (horizontal lines, circles, several dots and so on) in my scopes view when trying to locate bedded elk or deer in thick areas of Laural and Oak brush after I have found them in my "Bigeyes".
You can order the NXS with a cross hair and small dot. With the lighted reticule and this makes for a very nice system.
To anyone reading the post:
I believe it depends on the way you like to hunt and also the range you are attempting or have killed animals at as to your selection of scopes. If price is not a problem, you must make that decision.
The question is, is the NXS worth over $600.00 more then the Leupold LR? To some it may very well be. To others it won't.
With the R2 Horizontal line setup, It seemed I always had the animal "between these lines" and I like to hold a cross wire or dot dead on the area of the animal I intend to place the bullet when using the hold over system.
Many years ago I had a series of verticle dots (5 or 6) put in Leupolds. The dots were placed in the scope for the velocity and bullet I was using and at yardages out to 1000 yards. So many times, the target was between these dots and I did not like that setup either. The R2 works in almost the same way if you don't plan on clicking to the target.
I think it depends on the way you like or are use to hunting and the "Clarity" of the optics you are using when picking out a scope to invest your money in, regardless of the cost.
As stated earlier, the Leupold Longrange 8 1/2X to 25X 50 MM is the clearest optics to "MY" eyes I have found to date.
Yes, the Nightforce is a fine scope and very well made and after having 5 of them, I can make that statement with accuracy.
The Leupold LR is also a quality scope and probably just as good opticlly or better then the Nightforce to those who care to compare them side by side.
A good test, is to set BOTH scopes up side by side, set or adjust them to your eyes and also set both to 22X or 25X and be looking at a fired target 100 yrds away. See which scope you can see the "Ragged" Bullet hole edges (not just the bullet hole) on the target.
Myself and four fellow shooters have done this test and all 4 said the same thing. The leupolds were sharper to them as it was to me. They could all see the ragged edges with the Leupold and not the NF.
After the 100 yd test, go to 1000 yds and look at a target and see for yourself which one is clearer to you. You must have the two scopes side by side for the test and at the same time.
I have both scopes so it makes no difference to me who buys what. I'm only giving my opinion and evaluation of what I have found plus some fellow shooters and what they have found also.
It depends on the way and distance you plan on hunting or shooting as to what scope or system to use.
It's a toss up as far as I'm concerned. One has more features while the other has a tad bit sharper optics "to me".
I like them both, but with a cross hair and Target dot in either one.
[ 12-04-2002: Message edited by: Darryl Cassel ]