Nightforce MLR Reticle

[wildcat]

Hey guys, I've been hearing a lot about the Nightforce MLR reticle. I am thinking about going with this reticle, however, I would like to hear from those who have used it. I will be going with a 8x32x56mm NXS. I will be using it on a 300-WSM, and I will be shooting out to 1000 yards.

I will be using this setup for long range squirrel hunting. I will be using a 125grn Nosler Ballistic Tip traveling at 4000+fps, so I will need a good reticle for quick windage adjustment if the wind should pick up. I am using this bullet because it has a pretty good BC for a poly tiped bullet and it will anchor the varmints out to 1000 yards.

Wildcat

[eshell]

I have an MLR in a 5.5-22x50 and like it. I use it to solve UKDs, and for holdovers and wind hold offs. Looks like this:


FWIW, we do a LOT of long range shooting, 1k and a little further, and I'd be completely amazed if a .30 125 BT was satisfactory beyond 500 yards, let alone to 1k. My experience with even 165 and 180 Ballistic Tips is that their published BC is quite "generous", and at 600 and beyond, they drop dramatically worse than their BC's would predict. Wind deflection at 1k is going to be of Biblical proportions . . .

In any event, good luck!!

[Jimm]

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FWIW, we do a LOT of long range shooting, 1k and a little further, and I'd be completely amazed if a .30 125 BT was satisfactory beyond 500 yards, let alone to 1k. My experience with even 165 and 180 Ballistic Tips is that their published BC is quite "generous", and at 600 and beyond, they drop dramatically worse than their BC's would predict. Wind deflection at 1k is going to be of Biblical proportions

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Yes to that times two , no make that ten , no twenty [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Jim B.

[wildcat]

Well that's pretty funny, I 've seen the bullet in action out to 1000 yards and it performed very very well. I know a higher BC bullet will cut through the wind better, however, where we shoot the wind never gets that bad.

I've used a 223 with a 50grn V-max for shots out to 600 yards on squirrels and cotton tails with good results. I am positive the 125grn BT traveling at 4000+fps well work well out to 1000 yards.

I think to many people get hung up on the BC thing and try to tell people a rifle well not shoot well unless it uses the highest BC bullet. I know BC is important, however, so is killing power. I've hit so many squirrels with the high BC bullets, and they just end up getting back to their hole. Most of the shots we take, out here, are from 100 to 1000 yards, so a high BC bullet is really not an issue. However, when I start shooting past 1000 yards, I will switch to the higher BC bullets.

Now before some of you start lecturing me about BC, I know all about it. I know BC is very important for long range shooting. However, I've had good luck with the high BC Ballistic Tip and V-Max bullets. I use high BC bullets too, however, I like to use the V-max and Ballistic Tips as well.

The bullet I will be using for my project will be the 125grn Ballistic Tip (BC of .366) at a very high velocity of 4000+fps. I gaurantee you it will be an awesome shooting combination out to 1000 yards. When I had my 6x284 built, I had it designed around the 87grn V-max, being pushed out of a 1-12 Twist 30" Krieger at 3750-fps. Many told me I should design it around the 105 and 107grn A-Max and Matchking bullets. I decided to go against the norm, and I designed the rifle around the 87grn V-max. I was very happy with my decision, because that rifle and bullet combination worked awesome out to 1000 yards. During a squirrel hunt with my buddies, who were using a 22-250 and 6mm Remington with high BC A-max bullets, I out shot them all day long with this combo. Granted, we were only shooting out to around 850 yards, but I knew than that the high BC Ballistic Tip and V-Max bullets work very well out to the 1000 yard mark. So, I know these bullets will work fine espicially when they are being pushed very fast.

So, please!!! stop telling me Ballsitic Tip and V-max bullets will not perform well past 500 yards. This is a bunch of non sence, because I've used these bullets out to 1000 yards with great results.

Wildcat

[eshell]

LOL, sorry to pluck your nerves there Wildcat . . . but for someone to call one paragraph a "lecture" and take a half a page of text (a "sermon") to do it seems a bit of an overreaction. . .

My point above about wind is sound, even if it's not exactly what you want to hear, but hey, it's your nickle. . . . [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[lerch]

No one is telling you B Tips and V Max or A Max bullets wont shoot good at 1k. We are all saying that the 125gr ballistic tip is not a 1k bullet and that is coming from a guy who used to shoot them out of a 300 RUM, and the only velo we could get was 3940fps in a factory bbl.

Bud no one is trying to fight ya or piss you off, but there are better bullets from 500-1000yd shooting, hell just a heavier BT Tip is better, thats just he way in works man.

Take it easy
steve

[lerch]

As for the reticle, as long as you either no how to use mil's or get a program to give your drop and windage conversion to you in mil's you will love it. Otherwise i would tell ya to go with the NPR-1 or 2 reticle simply because their is no real conversion since they are already in MOA's.

The 8-32 power should work good especially for the small targets you are wanting to thump. You lose some adjustment range over the 5.5-22 but not as much as if you went with the 12-42

take it easy
steve