Quickad, It's your old sparring partner, I've got an apples to apples comparison for ya, I probably mentioned this earlier in the thread, but here goes, Was out shooting my 6mm with the 6-24x-44mm Sig. set on 20x with the light collector turned down all the way(Bright sunny day with snow), my leupold buddy came out to show me his new Jewell trigger, he said take a shot with that 6.5-20x-50mmVari-Xlll on 20x also, I had just got through shooting my 6mm and switched over to his rifle/scope and noticed it was darker looking through his, now if that isn't an 'a' to 'a' comparison I don't know what is. Well, I guess it's not, the Leupold costs $180 more, sorry. I'll tell you something though, I took the Vari-Xlll 3.5-10x-40mm that was on my Anschutz and put it on my Rem. S/S 708,(Antelope rifle) and can't think of a better combo for that rifle since it has low rings on it, I wish I had target turrets on it though, 93 bucks to have Leupold put em' on. Sodbuster, "There's more than to scopes than brightness", you mean like repeatability, reliability, toughness, and customer service that Burris will match Leupold in every respect, you sound like my narrowminded leupold buddy, you have no idea what a Burris scopes is, and what and how they test their scopes, like taking the scope like a hammer and pound it as hard as they can on a hard rubber mat on all four sides and see if it loses it's zero, you probably think Leupold tests 'all' their scopes, wrong, just a percentage, and the test scopes aren't sold to the public. That 8.5-24.2 LRT that your fixing to buy has the same lens as the Vari-xllls, so expect a less than bright sight picture, but it costs more, and look at all the Benchresters that use em' so it must be better. I almost forgot, BURRIS does dominate HBR competition, why is that?, cause Leupold has more experience etc. etc. Burris&Leupold man. Solid. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] Jay
what are the power ranges of the burris scopes. if they make a 8.5 to 25 or some where around that, but nothing lower, I may give them a try. I just never really thought about using any thing else because I have used zeiss and nikon and other cheaper scopes. The zeiss scope had to big of a eye piece and the nikon just would not track right after several differnt scopes and of course the other cheaper scopes was just that CHEAP maybe I am narrow minded but I know what works evertime or has worked every time for me and very reliable but would try one if they make what I'm looking for so let me know
Sodbuster, I'm sorry if I gave ya the business a little before, I'm just trying to educate some of the folks out there that really don't know anything about Burris scopes, my Buddy being one of them, he's so tied up in fact that if Tubb and Speedy use a Leupold, they're the best, and you can't tell him otherwise because he don't like it when you tell him he's wrong, he really has no idea what goes on inside a scope and what to look for in a good scope. He told me last year that If I shoot as good as him with that Burris that he'd be mad because he spent more for his Leupold, well low and behold he shot a 5/16" group, I shot a .217" group,(243Win. vs. 6mmRem.) that to this day he will not come to grips with. Burris makes a whole bunch of different powers, I have a 1.5-6x Signature model on my 308, and they make everything in between, 2-8x, 3-9x, 3-12x, 8-32x, you name it they got it, I also have 2 4-16xSigs. 2 6-24x Sigs, 4-12x compact w/Balistic plex, that is the cats ass for a rimfire, let me tell ya. Which could double as a Mountain rifle scope or for a rifle with heavy recoil, 5" of eye relief. They also use more recoil to test their scopes, 416 Rigby vs. 375 H&H for Leupold. As far as tracking and repeatabilty Burris scopes track just as well as any other highend scope out there, and If you have a problem with that or any aspect of the scope, just send it back to Burris and It will be taken care of, Great CS, never had to use it myself, one of the reasons I started buying Burris some 11 years ago was I had heard they have a good reputation for holding up to alot of recoil, and that the lens they use in their Signature models will stand shoulder to shoulder with the Europeon scopes, so I thought what have I got to lose, American made, Lifetime warranty, great optics, and cheaper than Leupold, so I quit buying Luppies but still have respect for them, I may buy another If I have a sniper rifle built, Burris don't make Tactical scopes, although a 4-16x Black Diamond w/Bal-mildot would do the trick. Rick, If you want to check out their scopes, go to Burrisoptics.com, maybe order a catalog and then maybe you'll see why I make a fuss over them, Best scope for the money, bar none. Burris# 1-888-228-7747 [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] Jay.
Recently I read a review in GUNTESTS and found they actually use a photo meter to test brightness. Now this is more accurate and objective than looking through scopes with human eyes. And it clarifies the myth that Burris is brighter. Let's not forget Burris is bigger and heavier too. Here is how they test for brightness:
"Brightness. We put the scopes in a darkened room 20 feet away from a pure-white frosted, backlit screen to minimize hotspots. We aimed a 55-mm Nikkor micro (close focusing) lens attached to a Nikon 8008S camera (with the light meter set on center weighted) through each scope and focused it on the crosshair and centered the crosshair in the viewfinder. We then set the camera’s light meter at 1/8 second and began stopping the lens down until we reached what the camera indicated was a properly exposed setting.
Our testers thought the Leupold’s brightness was on par with the Burris and Bausch & Lomb scopes, and was slightly better than the Redfield in our test group. It is crisp edge to edge, and shooters could easily read 1-inch type at 50 yards on the 12X setting. The recoil test showed no apparent changes in the scope’s tracking. Parallax was not a problem." [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
Oh yes you can. I find Weaver Grand Slam 3-10x40 for $224.95 and V16MDX 4-16x42 for $234.95. I can buy Leupold VX1 4-412x40 for $215.10. Plus Leupold holds its resale value better. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]