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Old 07-08-2013, 08:56 PM
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Need some seasoned advice!

So I am not only new to this forum, but am relatively new to long range shooting. In my part of the country we usually have a max shot of up to 200 yards. However, thanks to the new amazing pipelines (sarcasm), we have a lot more range available. I currently have a Browning A-bolt in 270 win that I have hunted with since I was 12 and have harvested lots of deer and a fair amount of coyotes. I have a bushnell scope, not sure of the exact model, and I am looking for a replacement. Im on a budget ($200) to keep the missus happy. Only real requirements are external adjustable turrets that can be reset to zero for my click adjustments, atleast 10x, and not overly heavy. Like I said, Im relatively new and don't want the wool pulled over my eyes with some tacticool piece of garbage. I need something that will make me proud and will allow me to take those white flaggers up to 600 yards. Also I plan to buy a .308 soon and the scope will transfer to it. So it needs to work well with both. Any advice would be great.

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Old 07-08-2013, 09:19 PM
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Re: Need some seasoned advice!

The only scope in that price range is a fixed 10x mildot Bushnell at Midway. But I owned one and strongly suggest you stick with what you have until you can save up at least $450. From that price upwards you can get a scope with a decent amount of internal adjustment and turrets you can actually rely on. After my experience with trying to zero the bushnell and the undershooting, overshooting and then shifting after firing a few rounds, I would never want to touch one of those turrets in the field, ever.

The Vortex Viper HS Long range scope is in my opinion the best value for money available (was voted that way by customers at optics planet too). Has 75min of elevation (4-16x50), 50min of windage, an exposed elevation turret and a capped windage turret. $599 for the 4-16x50LR , $489 for the 4-16x44 (50 min elevation, 50min windage) , $540 for the 4-16x50 with capped turrets

The only negative with the HS models is that elevation adjustment is 1/2 MOA. That gives you 24min per rotation of the elevation turret (high speed they say)..
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Old 07-08-2013, 09:46 PM
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Re: Need some seasoned advice!

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Thanks for the info! I love my bushnell, but it was before finger adjustments. So its annoying counting clicks and then counting back with a dime in your hand. Ill stick with what I have for now until I can afford something a little more.

One other question to those out there, whats the best starter 308 out there? Im looking into a Rem 700 sps, but I had an older 700 in 270 that was just horrible. Im not gonna say it ruined me on them, but I am definitely more hesitant. Any info would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:04 PM
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Re: Need some seasoned advice!

My first bolt action rifle was a Remington 700. I paid a lot of money for it, and I paid a lot more money accessorizing it (trigger, stock, bedding etc) but I never got it to shoot. Finally the only things left were to accurize the action and fit a match barrel and since the accurizing leaves the barrel thread size non standard it also means all the barrels have to be individually custom made. So that ends up working out to a cost of between $800-$1000 (including the match barrel).

Fortunately I had already done a few Savage barrel swaps by then and I knew that I can get excellent quality Savage "prefit" match barrels for $350 that require no gunsmith work whatsoever. I bought a receiver wrench and a special wrench for the barrel nut, so except for head space gauges I have everything I need. The head space gauges are $30 each, so no big deal.

So I have got rid of all of my Remington rifles and now work exclusively with the Savage. In most cases a factory Savage rifle model 10 or 12 will work pretty well from the factory, especially anything with a varmint style barrel. Today I usually look for suitable used donor rifles. I recently paid $285 for a 270Win model 110 (long action) which I then got a new stock for ($170) a match barrel from Shilen ($350 at Northland Shooters Supply) and a NSS recoil lug and barrel nut (about another $60).

I can assure you that the rifle put together from those parts will shoot better than I will ever be fully capable of exploiting. The 308 I just did, I recently shot a 1/4" group at 100 yards. My first ever. There were several prior that were slightly bigger trending downwards as I became more familiar with it. I do not even have 30 rounds downrange with this rifle yet and it has only been cleaned once so far...

Wideners has a model 110 in 6.5x284 for a little over $700. You should give that one some consideration. After 1200 to 2000 rounds it will be ready for a re-barrel, but I think you would have a bond with it by then...

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Old 07-09-2013, 02:20 AM
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If I knew of a scope that met your specs at $200, I would buy one right now. The closest I can come is a Burris E1 3-9x40 ($249) or a Burris C4 3-9x40 ($299). Both scopes have excellent optics (for that price) and repeatable finger turrets.

I've compared the Burris 3-9x40 side-by-side against the Bushnell 10x40 and the Burris scope has higher contrast. Plus it has a variable magnification. It's definitely worth a few extra bucks.

The E1 gives you a good ballistic compensated reticle that is designed for 0-500 yds, but you can stretch it to 600 yds by zeroing at 200 yds. The C4 gives you a reticle for holding off wind, a standard elevation turret, and a custom ballistic compensated turret.

I own a few Burris scopes (Fullfield II, Fullfield E1, MTAC). I can get anything I want at a discount and yet I continue to buy Burris scopes when I need a good, clear, high contrast image and don't want to make a big investment.

http://www.highpoweroptics.com/burris-c-694_701.html
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Old 07-09-2013, 07:53 AM
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Re: Need some seasoned advice!

Thanks for all the info folks. Its definitely got me moving in the right direction. Ill let yall know how it turns out, and hopefully get some good shots this year.
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Old 07-09-2013, 07:58 AM
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Re: Need some seasoned advice!

For under $200....These are great little scopes.

Simmons Whitetail Classic Rifle Scope 6.5-20x 50mm Adjustable

I have one on my .17 HMR for varmints. I also have 2 other older Simmons Aetec Whitetail 4-12x42 scopes. One is my my Ruger 10/22 and the other is on my other .17 HMR. However, I did have one of them on my 6 lb. Ruger 7mm RemMag, and it did just fine handling the recoil for many years, until recently, when the POI started to shift, then I put it on one of my .17 HMR's and put a new scope on the Ruger 7Mag.

Other options in the $200-300 range are:

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/388...-reticle-matte

This one is a bit more expensive, but would be a nice addition to your Browning...

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/983...-reticle-matte
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