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Need some help clarifying Vortex Viper PST or HST

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Unread 11-03-2013, 04:38 AM
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Re: Need some help clarifying Vortex Viper PST or HST

I'm no expert but for long ranges I would buy the PST because of the FFP instead of the HS-T with a SFP. I have been looking for a long range scope and one of the recommendations I got for a budget scope was for a Falcon Menice scope. They have many where the reticle is in the FFP. (and at a very low price)
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Re: Need some help clarifying Vortex Viper PST or HST

I just bought the HS-T 4-16x44 with the MRAD reticle and adjustments, After playing around with one at the range I decided that was the scope i was going to buy.
I wanted Mil based Reticle with Mil adjustments, side focus and a Gen 2 or better reticle. It came down to a SWFA 3-15 or the Viper HS-T, and the Viper is 150$ cheaper. I would prefer the SWFA reticle with .2 mil hashmarks like the PST has.

Between the Two scopes the Viper PST FFP scope with the EBR-1 reticle and the HST with the VMR-1, the PST has the better reticle, its got the .2 hashmarks so accurate milling can be accomplished more easily than with the .2 subtended mark only on the half mil lines of the VMR-1.

Since you are talking about hunting out to 1,000 and you wont know the exact size of the animal you are looking at so you cant use the reticle to range estimate without a known size. you will need to pair it with a Laser rangefinder. to get a good estimate of antler/horn size the slight difference in reticle isnt a huge deal a quick flash mil of the animal along with the range from the laser should give you a good close guess. but if money was no option I certainly would prefer the PST reticle to the HST, but on that note I would prefer the Horus Tremor to both.

Now FFP to SFP, First has some advantages like you can use your holds at any power, as long as you can see that part of your reticle, that becomes a problem at high power if you start to lose sections of the reticle. Second focal is nice because the reticle doesnt get super small, and if you find what truly is half power on your power adjustment ring, not just what the numbers say, you can mil targets at half and even 1/4 power. But you have to be spot on. Find a target that mils to 10 on full power than back out to wherever it is a 5 mil target and you have found half power. mark it and then you can mil at that magnification.

at the end of the day Id say if you can afford the Viper PST buy it, if you cant the HS-T has most of the features of the PST, but not quite, they are both equipped with target turrets zero stops and both are the same length and very similar weight, the HST is slightly lighter, both are available in MIL/MIL or MOA/MOA so its really down to your preferences
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Re: Need some help clarifying Vortex Viper PST or HST

When checking prices for scopes, don't rule out cameralandny.com. I bought my Viper PST 6-24x50 FFP from there as a demo model. Saved me about $100 off the new one. When I got the scope, I honestly couldn't tell it was a demo. Everything but the scope was still in sealed packages. There wasn't a scratch or even finger prints on the scope. Anyways, hope that helps.
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Re: Need some help clarifying Vortex Viper PST or HST

might as well throw in the hslr ffp with the xlr reticle.
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Re: Need some help clarifying Vortex Viper PST or HST

I read through this whole post so I thought I would offer some feedback. I'm looking for a new scope for myself. I have a viper pst 6-24x50 ffp mrad on my bushmaster varmiter ar .223 and have used it quite a bit. Its mostly a bench gun but this ridiculous scope on a .223 allows me to see my shots out to 200 yards. I think i purchased this scope when they were having quality problems. It took me 6 months to receive it while they were addressing conditions with the manufacturing in japan I think. This was also when fukushima disaster was happening so that could have been an issue as well. No problems with mine or any others I have heard of. I know several people with them.

I prefer the mrad recticle for ranging and my ballistics calculator in my phone (isnipe) gives me come ups in mills as well as moa. The calculations are easier, sort of like using the metric measuring system instead of the standard system. Everything is based on 1000 etc...

The FFP is nice but at certain ranges and higher magnifications the lines are too big for me to "aim small, miss small". I can't give you exact numbers, its been too long since I've used it.

As far as a hunting scope is concerned starting out at 6 magnification is a bad idea. If an animal is close to you say less then 100yards and moving it will be hard to stay on target. I think your looking at 4-16 anyways.

The illuminated reticle is really nice in low light conditions. Not much daylight in the winter up here in Alaska so I would put a spot light on the target and was able to shoot in complete darkness. I could do it with a non-ill but the red crosshairs made it so much eaiser to find the target.

As I am writing this, the gun store called me and said I can come pick up my rem 700 LR 300rum, and I will be putting the viper hs-t 6-24x50 sfp on it. I would probably just put the pst on it but its in Idaho at the moment. I prefer the fine lines at higher magnifications and I want to get used to dialing in the come ups instead of the mills. There is quite a price difference as well.
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Unread 12-30-2015, 07:55 PM
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Re: Need some help clarifying Vortex Viper PST or HST

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I read through this whole post so I thought I would offer some feedback. I'm looking for a new scope for myself. I have a viper pst 6-24x50 ffp mrad on my bushmaster varmiter ar .223 and have used it quite a bit. Its mostly a bench gun but this ridiculous scope on a .223 allows me to see my shots out to 200 yards. I think i purchased this scope when they were having quality problems. It took me 6 months to receive it while they were addressing conditions with the manufacturing in japan I think. This was also when fukushima disaster was happening so that could have been an issue as well. No problems with mine or any others I have heard of. I know several people with them.

I prefer the mrad recticle for ranging and my ballistics calculator in my phone (isnipe) gives me come ups in mills as well as moa. The calculations are easier, sort of like using the metric measuring system instead of the standard system. Everything is based on 1000 etc...

The FFP is nice but at certain ranges and higher magnifications the lines are too big for me to "aim small, miss small". I can't give you exact numbers, its been too long since I've used it.

As far as a hunting scope is concerned starting out at 6 magnification is a bad idea. If an animal is close to you say less then 100yards and moving it will be hard to stay on target. I think your looking at 4-16 anyways.

The illuminated reticle is really nice in low light conditions. Not much daylight in the winter up here in Alaska so I would put a spot light on the target and was able to shoot in complete darkness. I could do it with a non-ill but the red crosshairs made it so much eaiser to find the target.

As I am writing this, the gun store called me and said I can come pick up my rem 700 LR 300rum, and I will be putting the viper hs-t 6-24x50 sfp on it. I would probably just put the pst on it but its in Idaho at the moment. I prefer the fine lines at higher magnifications and I want to get used to dialing in the come ups instead of the mills. There is quite a price difference as well.
Can i ask why u didnt entertain the Viper 6x24x50 PA model? Is it the tactical turret? The reason I ask is. I will be having custom turrets made for my 700LR 7mm by Kenton so i see ni use in spending the extra money. and to me the scope seems very similar to the hs or hst. The eye releif is less but i am adding a brake anyway! Even side objective adjustment on the new standard viper.

Just curious. The LR stuff is asdictive lol
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Re: Need some help clarifying Vortex Viper PST or HST

I have the Viper PA 6.5x20x 44, the HS-lR FFP XLR MOA reticle 6x24, SWfA 3x15 FFP. Here is my take on it-SFP on anything up to 16x max, as I will likely crank it all the way up. The higher powered scopes in SFP aren't always accurate at highest magnification for instance the 6.5x20 PA mil dot reticle is accurate at 18x so how do you know if you are dead nuts on 18x? Using the Mil-hash reticle on the SWFA works well for hold-over shots, until you get down to about 10x or lower, when the hash marks start getting so tiny you can't tell one from the other. The 6x24 HS-LR hits the sweet spot for me, I like the XLR reticle a lot, and if I'm set on the lower powers, I'm probably shooting at MPBR distances anyway and come ups are a moot point,almost. Same is true with the SWFA 3x15, but not much room at the higher power end.
I think for hunting deer, yotes, etc, a SFP 3x15 or 4x16 BDC with custom turrets would be about perfect. Or even a generic MOA/MIl hash or dot reticle, since it basically a BDC Reticle for anything. A varmint scope, p-dogs, I really like the HSLR FFP, quick holdover shots are easy at known ranges ..knowing that no matter what power the scope is set at, it's always accurate. And watching them blow up at 24x is, well addicting.
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