Originally Posted by TMOS
Ihear you but still what scope would you recommend irrispective of price?
I can't recommend what YOU should buy. What you're trying to accomplish is all important. Just saying hunting and target shooting isn't very descriptive. What do you consider "long range" for hunting and target shooting? What do you hunt? Where do you hunt? What style of hunting? What type of target shooting?
What instrumentation do you use regularly?
My two favorite scopes are the Leupoold Mk4 16x40 of (mil dot or target dot doesn't matter much). The other is the Horus Falcon with the H37 Reticle. The Horus Falcon would be hands down my favorite but it weighs 33 oz versus 22 oz for the Mk 4 Leupold. I own more Burris 10x40 mil-dots than any other scope but they're mostly on on ARs and "offhand" bolt actions. They're a "best buy" for light weight "moa" shooting to 600 + yards.
I favor 16x for most long range shooting. When looking though 1000+ yards of atmosphere more than 40mm objective diameter and more than 16x rarely makes any improvment in accuracy, at least not in the Arizona high desert where I shoot. The period of time at sunrise and sunset where the larger objective is significant for usable image brightness is under 15 minutes. Scope magnification, resolution, or brightenss is rarely a limitation to my shooting accuracy. Uncertinaly in downrange wind deflection almost always is the limiting factor. Doping crosswinds in clear air and little or no windblown vegetation is very difficult. More scope simply doesn't help. Sighter shot work well when impact dust puffs are visible and for that there's nothing better than the Horus reticles, at least not that's availabe in a riflescope.
You could buy a S&B, Hensholt, or US Optics for 2 to 3 x more money with the Horus H37 reticle. In my opiinion that mostly just gets you more tears if you drop your rifle on rocks scope first. No scope will survive that.