Is there anything out there in the $1,200 or less range with glass good enough for hunting to 1000yrds, exposed turrets and a mil reticle and mill adjustments?
The two new SS's, the 3-9 and 10X HD; also the IOR 2.5-10 FFP. Unfortunately I don't think you can find any higher power without stepping down in glass quality or stepping up in price. The next up would be IOR 3-18 FFP and NF SFP with MLR.
Unfortunately as far as I know Leupold still only offers .05 Mil clicks which are way too fine for a big game rifle IMHO.
Originally Posted by Mikecr
For one, MILs are for ranging, and by far least desired for adjustment(hold off or dialing).
Since only a couple scopes I know of adjust in full MOA increments and none I know of adjust in full Mil increments, their absolute size is meaningless. They can be divided up into as small increments as one desires.
As mentioned above, the problem with Leupold Mil adjustments is at .05 Mil they're TOO FINE for most of us. As are 1/8 MOA clicks. They may great for benchrest or extreme range varmints, but for big game once you get beyond a certain level of precision, smaller clicks just require more clicks and more turns of the knob for any given shot which only slows you down in getting the same result.
But again, from .05 Mil Leupold clicks to 1 MOA M3 Leupold clicks, either can be as fine or as coarse as one wants. Saying one "is for ranging" while the other "is for adjustments" is akin to saying Spanish is for speaking but English is for writing...it doesn't make much sense. Either can do either job well if used correctly.
Jon, I agree with you.
It isn't important that ranging and adjustment MATCH each other.
It truly doesn't matter which standard is used for ranging.
And it doesn't matter which standard is used for elevation adjustments.
Which leads to my position that with a LRF, the med-fine crosshair works as good as anything out there. As does 1/4 IPHY or 1/4 MOA for adjustment.
That is, until I'm convinced otherwise.
I think what Forester is looking for is a scope with turrets graduated in mils as opposed to inches or minutes. There is a company that makes custom turrets I'm sure they can or do make them like this. I can't remember the name of the company but a quick google search should provide you with it. I would recommend you find the company first since, as I recall they only made these turrets for certain brands of scopes. Be aware of making adjustments in mils. Unless your reticle is in the first focal plane you'll need to ensure you are on the correct magnification setting before making your adjustment. If not the one mil of drop you observed may actually be two mils, or only 1/2 a mil.