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Leupold, Nightforce, or ??

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Unread 10-22-2004, 05:06 PM
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Re: Leupold, Nightforce, or ??

The bitter taste of poor quality lasts longer than the joy of a cheap bargain.
besides, i pay 1245 euro's for a 4-16x50 PMII. thats $1573. i can't get a NXS for that here. Until recently the NXS didn't have the 1/10th (1cm) miliradian adjustments that i need and want, the NXS also doesn't have 13 miliradians of elevation within 1 turn of the BDC. S&B glass is superior to the NXS. The best reticle is the Gen 2 Mildot, thats available in the PMII. US Optics has to many gimics and a bad past record.
I admit that S&B are teutonic blinkered thinkers whos attitude is " how could any one possibly want anything other than what we offer" which is why i have been trying to get them to build a 4-16x42 PMII with combined side paralax and reticle illumination for about 6 or 7 years now. But what they do offer at the moment is the very best Sniper scope available in the world bar none. Sniping is hunting, thats why i have a 3-12x50 PMII and a 4-16x50 PMII sat on rifles in my safe.
Anyway, i know what works for me and i know i can rely on S&B.
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Unread 10-22-2004, 09:45 PM
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Nightforce with the NP-R2 reticle. Accurate shots produced in seconds from 0 - 1300 yards (on my rifle) with nary a single knob twist.

Do a search on the topic to find out why the R2 makes Nightforce the scope to get...
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Unread 10-22-2004, 10:33 PM
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I have to agree with MachV, the IOR with MP8 reticles are, IMO, great scopes and a really great value in top end euro optics. I've owned 5 of them now, and am still using two, and a pair of their binos. I've compared them side by side to Swaro, and the 5.5-22 Nightforce I once had, and I thought they were the best value amongst a group of the best available.
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Unread 10-22-2004, 10:37 PM
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I used to be a die hard Leupold man. tried my first Nightforce about 2 years ago and replaced all my serious rifle scopes with NXS-NPR2 of various power ranges. Once you try'em you will never go back.
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Unread 10-22-2004, 11:47 PM
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I agree Ric ...I think alot of people just dump money into the USO just because they think they look cool ...for instance there was this guy at the range the other day who had a stock Rem 7oo with a lam stock and he had the hugest USO sitting on top..absolulty ridiculas ..he could have bought three 700's just for that monster of a baseball bat sitting atop of his rifle!

ohh the best part was it was chambered in a Factory .223! [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img] same thing with SB yeah they are great but who really needs a 35mm tube when you have the proper base on your rifle anyways...I guess it's just the name ..I know I know there are definate applications for a 35mm tube ect but come on not for tye average guy who even wants to shoot out at a mile!

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Unread 10-23-2004, 09:10 AM
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Re: Leupold, Nightforce, or ??

Take a peek here for additionl info - I got tired of seeing this question so much I published an article about it.

Bottom line IMHO:

USO is the best thing going for a U.S. Shooter engaged in long range and ultra long range shooting. The business has had a checkered past, but this seems to have been fixed with a vengeance thanks to JWIII in the past few years. All of my guns now wear USO glass.

S&B makes a very nice product, but its insanely overpriced with current dollar vs. Euro exchange rates, and the diversity of their product line sucks comapred to USO. Given current exchange rates, you can get a SN-3 (provided its not the 40mm tube/88mm obj monster) cheaper than the S&B PM's. I picked up a lightly used 40mm/88mm monster for less than a used PMII - I was patient and looked hard for it, but it was a fantastic bargain and worth every cent. USO supports the shooting commmunity and offers great deals on their top of the line scopes at SH. No one else does anything even close to this.

NXS: Great scopes for the money - will handle almost all shooting situations well - biggest problem is they don't offer a front focal plane reticle.

Loopy: Best value out there if you are on a budget and are smart enough not to pay full retail prices for their stuff. Stay away from the luminated reticle models - they are still a work in progress.

As always, beauty and quality are in the eye of the beholder - I was just lucky enough to do a side-by-side comparison of these scopes for over a year in all kinds of varying conditions. In the end, USO made the best product hands down.

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Unread 10-23-2004, 12:04 PM
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Re: Leupold, Nightforce, or ??

superb article. And not just the fact that I'm a USO fan either.
Very fair and objective view.

I really hate arguing when someone says something negetive about USO. They are a great company, that really doesnt need me to defend them...sakofan....
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