Roy and 4ked, thanks for the replies, exactly what I was looking for. Mine would be Army style and looks like I had the quarter mil on the dot size wrong. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]
Roy I have two of these scopes and haddent noticed a repeatability problem with the other one, but it also has not seen as much twisting as the one on my 260ai.
If I employ this mil-dot aiming and get used to it I may be better off for big game hunting. It may be quicker, and Kirby seems to be doing well with it.
You might get pretty good with it but I would have a hard time swallowing that it is quicker or as precise. A person might become quite efficient at it in fact but it seems that one would reach x level of proficiency but the cranking of knobs will bring that same person to a greater than x level of precision.
Pracice practice practice.
GRAVITY. It's not just a good idea. It's the LAW!
The question is, can you hold-off to an accuracy of 1/4 moa out at long distances with absolute consistency. Holding-off works but - it gets back to the question - can you hold-off to an accuracy of 1/4 moa out at long distances with absolute consistency? If your scope is operating properly it will move the point of impact in quarter moa increments every time. I have shot hold-off a lot, last year I shot six deer with hold-offs and six with clicking. Got better hits and shot with more confidence with clicking. Not to say that holding-off is not a viable hunting procedure, but I do not believe that it can be as precise and precision is what we are after. What if the wind is blowing, you are holding off for wind also, makes it tough.
We make drop charts with a little drawing of the mildots and distances that they are "on" for. More info in the field the better.
Good luck with your decision, hopefully your scope turrets are OK and you can use both clicking and hold-offs as needed. I have heard a lot of good things about the Weaver tacticals, maybe if the turrets are boogered you should send it in for a fix.
Cowboy, I use my mils for a ballistic plex type reticle. One mil at 100 yds equals 3.6 inches. Using a ballistic run out and varifying in the field, it is easy to use your mil dots. Sighting in my rifle at say 275 yds, gives me a dead on hold to 300 yds.(6 inch impact area). If I'm 15 inces low at 400 yds, hold dead on with the first mil dot (3.6" times 4 equals 14.4 inches correction). Just remember to multiply the 3.6" times the yardage factor to find the value for each mil dot. Luckily my rifle is dead on to 300 yds, first dot at 400, second dot at 500, third dot at 600. Even I can remember this easy set up. Use it varmint hunting in the summer and its a snap come hunting season. Just remember that most mil dots are only correct at the maximum magnification of your scope (or a stated power). Good luck. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]