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Old 06-30-2002, 12:41 AM
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I am so confused

My head is spinning from all of the choices out there and now I find myself frustrated with the options. I just purchased the Remington Model 700 VS LH .308 rifle and now in the market for a scope. Can anyone make a suggestion on a midrange ($550) scope 6-24x50 with finger adjustments for W&E?

Help please?

EZ
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Old 06-30-2002, 08:33 AM
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Re: I am so confused

Leupold 6 1/2 to 20X might work for you and that scope is under the amount you mentioned if you find a used one.

I would look for a used Leupold LR 30MM tube 8 1/2X to 25X with the side wheel focus.

All the new LR and Target Leupolds are 1/4 MIN clicks and have the windage and elevation target knobs.

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Old 06-30-2002, 10:38 AM
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Re: I am so confused

EZ,
Whatever you buy, do not get a scope with 1/8 minute adjustments if you wish to shoot long. They cut your effective elevation adjustments in half - have seen several guys run out of adjustments at 600 yards.

As for mounts, I suggest that you consider some two-piece sloped bases (gives you an additional 20moa, maybe get them from Nightforce or other makers in the Brownell catalog). For rings I suggest a set of the Warne Maxima rings but get the model without detachable locking levers (Model 214M for 30mm or Model 201M for 1 inch) - they are very reasonably priced and super strong. These Warnes are NOT well known and they are very nice. Excellent long range rings without a huge cost. I have been using them for some time - very tough and good looking, maybe 50 bucks.
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Old 06-30-2002, 01:15 PM
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Re: I am so confused

If you want to shoot out to 1000 yards you should seriously consider spending a little bit more (700-800 dollars) and getting a Leupold Long Range scope with 30MM tube and extra elevation adjustment. Or something similar...

I have bought a couple Leupold LR scopes, a 3.5-10x40 M3, and a 6.5-20x50. Now I do not even like to use my cheaper "bargain" priced junk.

Premier Reticles is a company thatsells Leupold scopes with many options.

I have a Rem 700 VS LH also, with the 3.5-10x40 LR M3 I have shot many .3 inch 5-shot groups with handloaded Sierra 190gr HPBT Matchkings. Without any alterations or gunsmithing to the rifle.

Good Luck! Here is a link to Premier Reticles, they are worth checking out.

MM
http://www.premierreticles.com/
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Old 07-01-2002, 01:00 PM
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Re: I am so confused

1/8" click scopes are good and have nothing to do with running out of elevation. The nightforce are 1/8" and have 2-4X the elevation a most of 1/4 minute scopes. Mixing apples and oranges. The key factor in elevation is scope tube diameter. Tubes that are 30mm will have more elevation whether 1/8 or 1/4". Buy good Leupold 8-25 or 6.5-20. Not going to outrun scope anyway with 308. Also if you are Hunter Education Instructor Leupold has great discount program on their scopes. Well below distributor.
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Old 07-01-2002, 05:21 PM
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Re: I am so confused

As Darryl posted, Leupolds' line of long range scopes are 1/4 minute adjustments and the Nightforce NXS scopes are all 1/4 minute also. Older Nightforce designs, intended for benchrest (as they are named) are 1/8 minute.
Let's say your turret, whether in a 1" or 30mm tube can turn ten revolutions. If it is calibrated for 1/8th the bullet will simply move 1/2 as much as it would if the calibration was 1/4moa.
No doubt most 30mm scopes enable the cell to move more than a 1" tube, but having the finer threads for 1/8 minute adjustments cuts the elevation potential in half. I have several of both, believe me, 1/8th are a pain in the ass when your are cranking come-ups out at 1000. That is why the Leupold M3's have 1 moa elevation adjustments.
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Old 07-02-2002, 09:30 AM
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Re: I am so confused

IanM,
Your normally right on top of stuff but your not looking at this correctly. If you have a 1" threaded rod with 8 pitch threads it's takes 8 revs to move a nut the whole length of the threaded rod which is 1" long. If it has 16 pitch threads you would simply turn the nut 16 time now to travel the same 1" length of the rod. It simply take twice as many "click" or revs to go the same distance.

I use a NF 12-42, 1/8MOA model scope on my HG rifle and it still takes the same 25MOA +- to get zeroed at a match whether it has a 1/2, 1/4, or 1/8 model scope. It would simply take (50) 1/2MOA clicks, (100) 1/4MOA clicks, or (200) 1/8MOA clicks, but the bullet would still be raised up the same 25MOA to give me the same amount of drop.

I do like the 1/8MOA clicks for BR work, but the 1/4MOA clicks are much simplier to calcualted in your head for true field work. I do agree with you on that.

Steve
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