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Old 11-13-2006, 11:39 AM
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have any of you used this scope; the Horus Vision scope-falcon 4-16x? I have read a lot about this scope. It has etched in the glass hack marks instead of the military mil-dots reticle. This supposedly means that it never changes 0. Using the Horus TRAG software you are able to shoot out to 3000 yards with precession. I'm wondering if any of you have tried this scope or heard any comments on it? I read where Schmidt and Bender are putting the Horus reticles in their PM22 scope and Leupold LRMI Tactical and US optics Super Long Range are using this also. I would like to get someone's opinion on this. I have read a lot on Night Force 5.5-22x, but you have to turn each distance in the scope individually (for height and wind) and then you have to remember to put it back to where you started; the Horus seems logically more accurate and more simple to use. In their literature they say they have been winning 1000 yard in the US Army sniper team competition in 2003. so you can get the drift of how accurate this scope is suppose to be. There web page is www.horusvision.com if you care to look at it. Looking forward to your input on this scope since I am going to have a long range hunting rifle built, preferable. So I want the best scope to do the job for long range hunting. thanks, New Shooter
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Old 11-13-2006, 09:46 PM
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Re: horusvision scope

new shooter,
I tried to stay away from this post because I know a pissin' match will likely follow,but what the heck. this is JUST MY OPINION stay away from the horus (the reticle is so cluttered among other thing's) get a quality scope that has target turret's then buy a ballistic program (like exbal,Sierra Infinity etc.) chronograph your ammo then learn how to crank your turret's and you will be far better off than having a fluffy reticle.
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Old 11-13-2006, 09:58 PM
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Re: horusvision scope

UncleB , you are right. I drive a diesel-you don't most likely; I shoot two Horus scopes, you don't. This does not effect either of our morning coffees. IMHO, the HOrus HAS established, throught numerous repeated Sniper Championships, both individual and team, that if you learn the system, you can hit your targets with a high chance of a lethal hit. Should you miss, the second shot is a "gimme". The Falcon is not, repeat,NOT, a hunting scope for dense timber. The new 1-4x is fast to acquire and gives a great ghost ring advantage for eye alignment-it is good up to 600 yards, is used in Iraq and has illuminated reticle. I plan a third HOrus. Overbore [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 11-14-2006, 08:37 AM
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The Horus system has some interesting ideas and some areas of great application, it may not be what you are looking for. If you are looking for long range precision for hunting I highly recommend that you go to the Nightforce 5.5-22x50mm NPR2 or NPR1. You can use the NF reticules much like the Horus out to fast distances say 600 yards and in without touching a knob. After using a couple of Horus vision scopes on long range rifles this is my opinion: they work well if you are at max power out to 800 yards or so, maybe even 1000 yards. Now for work 1000 and beyond I just don't think you can beat the NF. Don't fear knob turning to place a first round hit at distances beyond 1000 I feel that the NF is the hands down winner. 1000 yard + shooting can be done with the Horus I just feel the NF is better at it. I have found the Horus to be a poor low light scope and turning the power down beyond 10x made the ones I tried useless. The 5.5-22 NF on 5x is still a usable scope for closer ranges. Now all of the above is my personel opinion. There is no doubt that comparing the standard Horus scope (not the S&B version )to the Nightforce in terms of quality and durability is no contest at all the NF stands head & shoulders above the Horus. In the end you will be spending alot of money for either, look at the opinions of this board, try to look through and even use both and make your best pick.
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Old 11-14-2006, 08:49 AM
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Shawn is correct as to basic scope quality as the NF wins that discussion every time, excluding S/B, and USO; however, if you have a specialized requirement, read tactical, the H-25 reticle is proven to be a winner. For close range tactical, the H-48 is better than any NF. If it were not so, military would use NF for close tac ops; they don't. For HUNTING, go with the NF but get the correct reticle. IMHO, the moa reticle is the fastest to learn and the easisest to acquire your target as the clicks and the graduations are in the same units; key to keeping your head straight under stress. Overbore [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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Old 11-14-2006, 09:43 AM
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I am big NF fan no doubt about that. I certainly don't want to start a ******* match. I would like to point out a few items: The military does in fact use quite a few more NF scopes that Horus, well over 10,000 units in service. A branch of the military solicited Nightforce the develope the 1-4x NXS and the 2-10x NXS both for close to medium range work. The reason it is tough to get ahold of a 1-4 is the filling of military contracts. There are groups of the military that utilize the Horus with good results, but the are at least 10x that number of NF scopes in service mostly with spec ops units. Notes about competition and advertising: Bennie Coolie, Mike Voit and the other top shooters I have shot against will win with what ever equipment they use. If you think that the winning team at match X won the event because of equipment only you are kidding yourself. I won the USPSA precision rifle national this year mostly because I could read and dope the wind better that day. I used a NF 3.5-15 NXS NPR2. I probably could have used a Horus just as well. I choose the NF because of it's quality and ability to do both operations, use the reticule for hold over and repeatable knob dialing. The Horus in the standard version has to rely on the reticule only as I have yet to see one pass a box test. (in all fairlness the Horus was not designed as a knob scope) The Horus ability to rapidly place a second shot depends on conditions: 1. not changing between shots. 2. the ability to spot the first hit or miss, in certain terrain this can be an issue. If you can see the hit hold off for the second shot is just as easly accomplished with the NF NPR reticules without looking through an artilery aiming grid. I feel for the long range hunter, tactician, or general shooter that most are best served by getting a quality knob scope and learning to dope conditions. Like I said before try both if you can before you buy.
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Old 11-14-2006, 10:13 AM
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Re: horusvision scope

I did not mention any scope brands (did not want to get the scope wars fired up again) but in your post you agree'd with Shawn that NF was "better for HUNTING" and that is what new shooter wanted a long range hunting scope. so why get testy with me when in the end you agree with me??? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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