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The Horus reticle scope system

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Unread 06-10-2009, 05:38 AM
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Re: The Horus reticle scope system

Dunno if I can do this, but to digress a tad, I have two scopes with illuminated reticles. I have compared notes with another friend who also has a illuminated reticle scope. We both find that any illumination at all tends to make it hard to see past the reticle to the target.
I mean, if you can't see the reticle, then you can't see the target anyway - so go home.
So, I ask; what in the hell is the use of an illuminated reticle and how do you guys find them?
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Unread 06-10-2009, 05:45 AM
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Re: The Horus reticle scope system

This is sort of on the same thread.

I have two scopes that have illuminated reticles. If you turn the retilce illumination on, you can't see past it very easily. (Both have variable rheostat illumination)
So, why in heaven's name would you have an illuminated reticle if it blanks out the target in poor light ?
Do they have a practical use (am I dumb ?) or are they just another gadget fitted to sell scopes ?

Cheers,

Pete.
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Unread 06-10-2009, 06:03 AM
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Re: The Horus reticle scope system

Peter, you need to try some other scopes before jumping to that conclusion. A good illumination system not only has practical use, but will allow you you make shots in conditions that will amaze you, that you would have zero chance of making without it.

The best I've used/owned have been the S&B and Premier which both had the same reticle (Gen II) and very similar illumination performance. Only the center cross illuminates and on the lowest setting it needs to be really dark before you can even see it at all. Not too long ago, I made a first round hit on a gong at over 1000 yds in virtually complete darkness with the Premier. As impressive as the optical performance was to allow me to see the target at all (it was not visible to the naked eye--not even close) was the illumination performance, allowing me to see the reticle well enough to aim without washing out such a dim target.

But you are very correct in that many illuminated scopes are too bright even in their lowest settings to be useful for really low light conditions.

That's not the fault of the concept, but the execution.
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Unread 06-10-2009, 08:39 AM
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Re: The Horus reticle scope system

Hi Jon,
I had a night vision scope years ago - used to use it on foxes and cats in our outside piggery. Really good.
But I am not talking about night vision scopes - just a regular scope fitted with an illluminated reticle facility
Now, these reticles do dim right down, but I fail to see how you can see a target when the light is poor, or even really dark. I do have really good night vision myself, but I still can't see what use the illumination is.
However, never let it be said that I didn't try something a bit different.
I will go out tomorrow night and give it a shot and come back to this forum better equipped to give an opinion.
Until then,
Cheers,
Pete.
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Unread 06-11-2009, 05:40 AM
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Re: The Horus reticle scope system

I wasn't talking about a nightvision scope. Just a scope with really good glass and a really good illumination system.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think capability to do the above is needed for a hunting scope as that was well above and beyond--I wouldn't take a shot at anything when it's that dark, certainly not at that range. In fact, most of my hunting career has been without illumination at all; with a good reticle I don't think it's often needed for hunting though there are many situations where it can be helpful.

The above was just an extreme example of what a really good one can allow you to do that you simply would have no chance of accomplishing without it. Whether you need or want that or not is up to you.

And your observations are correct for many, if not most, illuminated scopes--even on the lowest settings they are too bright for really low light and wash out the target. I'm just telling you that is not true for all of them.
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Unread 06-11-2009, 06:36 PM
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Re: The Horus reticle scope system

Jon,
I am having the most diabolical net problems and this will be the fourth time I have sent this reply.

Very quickly, tried the reticle illuminated at its lowest power (useless at any other - complete washout) and on a really dark target in poor light, it was miles better than the plain reticle which was almost impossible to see.
I dont shoot anything that is that dark, so probably have no need of the illumination.
If you are shooting Black Bear (which I hope is black) then there would most likely be a need.
I do see where you are coming from now.

Cheers,
Pete.
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Unread 07-21-2009, 05:36 PM
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Re: The Horus reticle scope system

I have been using a Horus Falcon with a H-37 reticle on my 700P-.308 for 3 years shooting at 1000 Yds.

Would never change to another brand for long range.

If off POI read the grid and fire again. No knob turning after zeroing at 100 Yds.

I have the same one on my new M-96 Windrunner-.408, which I intend to reach out to 2500 Yds. Except I will zero this gun at 1000 Yds. when I finish working loads.
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