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Old 11-25-2012, 11:41 AM
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Why not consider the horus system and get the best of both worlds.
The advantage of the Horus system is that it effectively uses precision holdoffs in both elevation and windage all of the time. Horus reticles are simply a grid in milliradians (mils) with 1/5 mil ticks so they are cartridge/bullet/atmosphere independent. . The Horus system assumes you'll use either calculations or lookup tables to determine the aim point of all shots in mils, but it's big adavntage is you don't have to twiddle knobs to make precise shots. Just move the target image to the calculated point on the grid. The precision is about the same as with target knobs but setup is faster with less chance of error from not counting clicks correctly. In my opinion it's ideal for long range shooting in conditions where drop and windage need to to be corrected from measurements of range and atmosphere. There is also no faster or more precise system for making followup shots if you can see your first shot's point of impact. They are excellent for subsonic rifles which typically have large drops and large wind deflection.

Horus scopes are not particularly useful shooting at fixed targets (like highpower or benchrest) or for CQB or short range hunting (under 300 yards). At less than about 8x (at least for my senior citizen eyes) ) the reticle markings becomes unreadable.

I own four Hurus scopes. two Falcons and two Raptors. I have each of them on quick release rings, one of each set up for ARs and one of each set up for bolt actions. They are easy to switch between rifles.. The Falcons are heavy but allow the longest range as they are designed to mount on a 20 MOA rail (H37 Reticle) It's suitable for my 6.5 Creedmoor AR10 and 7mm STW and 338 Norma Mag Rem 700s. I use them for long (but variable) range target shooting.

The Raptor is lighter, (aluminum instead of steel), 20 moa less usable drop than the Falcon, not illuminated, more practical.for hunting, and a few hundred less expensive. I have one each in H59 and H25 Reticles. They are similar but I slightly prefer the original H25.
http://www.horusvision.com/reticles.php

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Old 11-25-2012, 10:01 PM
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Re: hold over reticle or dial?

Get one that you can calculate a chart for it. Nikon and Vortex both have programs for it.

The problem with most BDC reticules is your stuck on 1 power setting. I have accidentally had the scope on a lower power and wondered why I shot over.
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Old 11-26-2012, 12:38 AM
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Re: hold over reticle or dial?

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The advantage of the Horus system is that it effectively uses precision holdoffs in both elevation and windage all of the time. Horus reticles are simply a grid in milliradians (mils) with 1/5 mil ticks so they are cartridge/bullet/atmosphere independent. . The Horus system assumes you'll use either calculations or lookup tables to determine the aim point of all shots in mils, but it's big adavntage is you don't have to twiddle knobs to make precise shots. Just move the target image to the calculated point on the grid. The precision is about the same as with target knobs but setup is faster with less chance of error from not counting clicks correctly. In my opinion it's ideal for long range shooting in conditions where drop and windage need to to be corrected from measurements of range and atmosphere. There is also no faster or more precise system for making followup shots if you can see your first shot's point of impact. They are excellent for subsonic rifles which typically have large drops and large wind deflection.

Horus scopes are not particularly useful shooting at fixed targets (like highpower or benchrest) or for CQB or short range hunting (under 300 yards). At less than about 8x (at least for my senior citizen eyes) ) the reticle markings becomes unreadable.

I own four Hurus scopes. two Falcons and two Raptors. I have each of them on quick release rings, one of each set up for ARs and one of each set up for bolt actions. They are easy to switch between rifles.. The Falcons are heavy but allow the longest range as they are designed to mount on a 20 MOA rail (H37 Reticle) It's suitable for my 6.5 Creedmoor AR10 and 7mm STW and 338 Norma Mag Rem 700s. I use them for long (but variable) range target shooting.

The Raptor is lighter, (aluminum instead of steel), 20 moa less usable drop than the Falcon, not illuminated, more practical.for hunting, and a few hundred less expensive. I have one each in H59 and H25 Reticles. They are similar but I slightly prefer the original H25.
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Lou, i was taking inventory of my scopes last week and came across an old Horus Predator 8-26x with an IPHY system that nets me 20 at 26x and 76 or so at 8x. My Magnum Research Picuda handgun just popped into my mind at that moment and i thought it just might fit on that rig without the bell hanging over the 10" barrel. Sure enough not only did it fit, but it looked good too. Took it out and let my nephew, home from the USAF, shoot it and we eventually worked our way out to shooting at 500 yds. with it--man did we have fun! This is a dedicated colony varmint rig and the big old Horus fit it perfect. Will post a pic in AM as i'm at work now. Really got me thinking on the HV optics, and intend to get another soon.
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Old 11-26-2012, 08:30 AM
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Re: hold over reticle or dial?

Nothin' better in a PD town...IMO--

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Old 11-26-2012, 09:31 AM
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Re: hold over reticle or dial?

I tried out the hold over using BDC reticle and also had a turret tape made from Custom Turret Systems which is a sponcer here by the way, the reticle seemed like it was going to be awesome but I found in hunting situations if was an utter pain in the butt and required much more thinking than it should. Using the turret tape it's really range, dial and shoot.
I shoot a Vortex HS LR and it was just awesome yesterday to range and shoot a bull, had very little time to pick out which bull I needed to hit and they were standing from 100 yrds out to 600 yards out across a field but when I found him I was able to range, turn to 4 on the dial and put two through his chest before I could have even pulled out a card or program or figured out which line to hold, and I wasn't hunting for which line to hold when I put a second one in him.

Out past 800 though I would have plenty of time to pull my program and dial precise MOA!!
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