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Old 12-10-2011, 07:43 AM
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Well said. Quality in optics is much more than the image you see thru the lens. Take a scope apart sometime, and you will see how complex it is. Many cheap scopes have glued in prisms; erector tube springs that do not return, poor lens coatings,etc. And they seem to fail just when you need it to be perfect. Yes, you can find a cheap scope that might give a lifetime of service; but the odds are better with the high end scopes. Buy the good stuff and cry once.

You are absolutely right scopes are very coplicated and precise instruments.
One should always buy the piece of gear that does the job right ,
but We all need to diferentiate the meaning of the words cheap and inexpensive. From what ive observed there are alot of people comparing cost like some guys compare caliber, see my rimfire discrimination post for more on that.

Ive been Guilty of what i am trying to change, I was going to drop $500 on a scope When a "Cheap" Tasco was recommended, it is just as good and better than most of the scopes i looked at costing 4-5 times as much, the tasco i got on sale for around $70 had all the features and a few more nice touches the nikons and bushnells ziess and even the lower end leupolds didnt have.

I had a mishap with my scope I dropped the upper while cleaning and it landed scope down of course, but fortunatly a nice soft .50 cal ammo can was there to soften the landing, Still held a perfect zero just a few nicks on the finish, 3 guys at my range have shown up with either the same 2.5-10x42 or is big brither a 6-24x50 both mil dots both have the option for a rheostat red/green and the 50mm comes with flip up covers and rings ( maybe iffy) and both are less than $100 shipped, when people sell there nikon prostaff and buy a new scope that they feel is bettter and still have enugh change from the sale for a few boxes of ammo its a good deal.


Low Cost isnt always a sign of low quality there is a magical 20% or so of stuff out there that is cheap to buy but quality to own, take some time dont buy somthing because its a name and its expensive, explore all the options and you will get more for your money.
Out of all the scopes i was looking at the tasco 2.5-10x42 was the best fit i wanted a mil dot scope that has a low power minimum and the scince most mil dot formulas work off of a 10x scope its handy, /i can focus on something 5 feet in front of me or 600yds away, very versitile. thanks for reading and putting up with my rambling
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Sure, Savageman69 has a point, with a few caveats. If your life doesn't depend on the optic working, if you're using light calibers or don't shoot a lot, if you don't invest much time, effort or money in a single shot, and if you don't need to make shots under poor illumination, then using an inexpensive optic makes sense. This is the case for many recreational shooters, plinkers, target shooters and small game hunters. But if any of these caveats don't apply, you should plan to spend a lot more than $100 on a rifle scope.

Most of the inexpensive (<$100) scopes on the market today are made in China. In my experience, the three areas that these inexpensive scopes generally fail at are: quality control, optical surface figure, and glare performance. Language and culture differences and distance make it difficult for US companies to insure that Chinese workers follow instructions and perform quality control procedures. Return rates for these products are higher.

When people talk about "good glass", it's not the glass itself but the surface polish that distinguishes good glass. The quality of polish is usually referred to as surface figure. If the polishing process is done with haste to cut cost, the surfaces will have very small dips and rises that reduce the image contrast. Modern scopes usually have more than 5 lenses and all if them can contribute to lower image contrast. Interestingly, poor surface figure does not reduce resolution very much. That's why cheap scopes tend have good image resolution when viewing fine details under good illumination. Under marginal lighting, however, cheap scopes don't show the same level of detail.

Finally, glare also reduces image contrast, but comes from poor design not surface figure. Design features such as black paint and baffles are often used to reduce glare. These design features are omitted from cheap scopes.
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Old 12-11-2011, 10:06 PM
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Re: high value low cost optics, scopes binoculars, spotters ect.

Bruce_Ventura, Totally Agree, Swat teams and the Military Deserve Need and generally have Acog and Luepold optics because they are both tough as nails and super high quality. They NEED those high quality
$1000 dollar scopes,
I want quality too but my budget is small, Thats why I buy SOG knives, Bushmaster, Savage, CZ, and Henry Firearms, I also have a little pheonix arms HP22A 22lr pistol that you can get for $130, and its much better than a SIG Mosquito and the Walther P22, A Guy who own both those guns have told me the HP22A is much better, and sold his Walther after it came back from warranty the second time to buy 2 pheonix's one for him and one for his wife.I buy great stuff because its great, not because its brand is "great" And that is all Im trying to get others to do buy whats good not whats supposed to be good. My budget is small but my "armory" is big, because i buy smart

My range closes At 5:00 pm in the winter and 6:00 pm in the summer. with my simmons scope on my savage 93 its clear and crisp untill about 30min till sunset then i cant see the reticle its a 3-9x40, my tasco is only a 42mm but i can shoot past sunset with only the 3 100watt bulbs pointed downrange and the moon. I shoot a Bushmaster XM-E2S, so does my range buddy. Our guns are twins except for his leupold, and my tasco, his is a 6-24x50 that cost $600 and mine is a 2.5-10x42 at $75, under the same light conditions his scope is brighter and has a crisper image, but mine is still absolutely useable, alot of the other guys scopes ive looked through cant suck in light like a leupold, but perform no better or much worse than the tasco, Maybe I got lucky with my scope or maybe the "machined in The USA and assembled in china is the difference".
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Old 12-27-2011, 12:29 AM
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I just threw my $80 tasco 6-24x42 on my 300wsm and it zeroed fine, I've shot 20 rounds so far with it and its still dead on, I will be mounting a 6-24x56 millett on it when/if the tasco dies...I was shooting in overcast, drizzley conditions and even on 24x it was still crystal clear. I did notice alittle "tunnel vision" from 18x to 24x but it wasn't bad....using a 4 foot fence post as reference on the calibrated 8x it was 2 mill dots tall and on 16x it was 4 dots tall....

I got 60 rounds of winchester 150 grain ballistic silvertips for Christmas so that's what's been goin down range till I get my reloadin bench set up..I had the scope in the closet so that's what got mounted....guess we will see how long it lasts and stays accurate...I didn't feel,like walking very far today so I zeroed 2.5 high at 100 yards and true to my factory savage experience it put three in a nice quarter size group with 10-12 mph cross winds with factory ammo....
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Old 12-27-2011, 12:56 AM
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Those tasco scopes are amazingly good for the price, Ive noticed the cheaper nikons and bushnells $150-$300 have good clarity at low powers but the edge starts to fuzz out past 8x and the margins for eye relief are pretty small so they start to tunnel if your even a bit off, the tasco I have is very forgiving so shooting from akward positions is alot easier becasue of the freedom of movement. Also from what Ive seen those (cheap) nikons and others, have either an issue with the lense coating like its thicker in some places than others or the glass itself is a bit off, so looking at those sight in targets the grid lines are a little wavy in a few spots its not a big deal but I notice it. my tasco 2.5x10 is flawless as far as i can see. They are also pretty tough, I didnt have the thing on my AR for more than a week when I knocked it off my bench and it landed scope first, Granted It was on carpet (my guest bedroom has been turned into the Armory ) it held zero and apart from the scratch it is no worse for wear so I am pretty impressed with those scopes. Great value for money
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Oh I forgot to say I got a pair of bushnell powerview 10-30x25 binoculars and they are nice and small and light, and for $35 or so I wont cry if i lose them of they break. The only thing that I didnt like is the zoom adjustment is a little sticky, the main and eyepiece focuus adjustments are smooth and precise as it should be. I have a nice set of binoculars but they are too big heavy and expensive to use at the range or out in the woods. The powerviews are good enough to read signs and license plates and stuff like that at any power, thats my test of binoculars If you can read through them at distance they are fine, I have perfect vision so if you need glasses or contacts they might be a little fuzzy, but I really like them they are small enough to fit in a cargo or a BDU pocket or light enough to wear around your neck and not turn into a hunchback wich is a plus
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