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Old 06-01-2012, 05:55 PM
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Help choosing a scope for upcoming hunt... details inside

I am going on an Ibex hunt this year where the shots are expected to be between 200-500 yards. We are also going to hunt wolves and we plan to call them in close if possible (buddy is taking his recurve). Hunt is going to be in elevations between 9000 ft up to 14000 ft. I live a sea level and am working on getting in shape (no real weight to lose but being skinny and being in shape are two different things).

Rifle its going on:
Rifles Inc Strata in 270 WSM (5 1/4 lbs)


Anyway, here is what I am looking for...

Low profile MOA dials/turrets, Zero Stop required
Wide Range of Magnification
Excellent build quality (gun will be in horse scabbard most of the time)
Identify and estimate deer sized animal at 500 yards
Light weight for hunting (anything over 1.5 lbs is excluded)

These are the scopes I am looking at:

Leupold VX-3 4.5-14x50mm Long Range
Pros: CDS MOA windage and MOA elevation dials (low profile w/Zero Stop), Cost
Cons: 19 ft FOV at 4.5, 30mm tube

Leupold VX-3 VX-3 6.5-20x40mm Long Range
Pros: CDS MOA windage and MOA elevation dials (low profile w/Zero Stop), Cost
Cons: I feel 6.5 might be too strong for the low end of a hunting scope, 30mm tube

Swarovski Z5 3-18x44 w/BT - Custom MOA Turret
Pros: Swarovski Quality, 5x zoom range, 30ft FOV, 1" tube
Cons: Price, No windage turret or aftermarket options

Minox ZA5 4-20x50 SF
Pros: Great mag range, 1" tube, cost
Cons: No experience with minox scope - quality? rugged?, Not sure if it has zero stop or MOA markings

Any others I am not mentioning? I dont care if a scope is made in the US, Germany, Argentina, Canada or elsewhere, it just needs to be good quality.
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Old 06-01-2012, 07:44 PM
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Old 06-01-2012, 09:00 PM
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Re: Help choosing a scope for upcoming hunt... details inside

The Swarovski is available with the 4W reticle. It has hold over for windage (2 MOA per hash mark) . Problem 1 solved

They also have the CDS type system just like Leupold. --------There is your aftermarket option.

Check out the video and give these guys a call. I'm sure they can help with the first "con".

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Old 06-01-2012, 11:52 PM
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I am going on an Ibex hunt this year where the shots are expected to be between 200-500 yards. We are also going to hunt wolves and we plan to call them in close if possible (buddy is taking his recurve)...

...identify and estimate dear sized animal at 500 yds..."
I admire your requirements-driven approach to selecting a rifle scope. It sounds like you'll be well prepared for a great hunt.

Please bear with me, however, while I poke a bit at your assumptions. Your mag range seems pretty high for this scenario. It sounds like you're planning to use your rifle scope in place of a spotting scope. I think you would fair better using a lower mag range rifle scope and a compact 25X spotting scope for spotting and assessing game. That way you'll have a rifle scope with a wider field of view and better contrast (less glare), and a much better scope for spotting game.

Also I suspect that a single BDC turret won't be accurate over an altitude range of 9,000-14,000 ft. If you live at sea level, even making the range shots needed to accurately get ballistic drop for your load and rifle at a high altitude may be difficult. I think I would lean instead toward a mildot reticle and range cards that I prepared ahead of time. You could prepare them at something like 2,000 ft intervals and 20 degree intervals. You would be covered with 8-12 cards. The range cards could also be the back-up to a portable ballistic computer.
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Old 06-02-2012, 12:15 AM
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I admire your requirements-driven approach to selecting a rifle scope. It sounds like you'll be well prepared for a great hunt.

Please bear with me, however, while I poke a bit at your assumptions. Your mag range seems pretty high for this scenario. It sounds like you're planning to use your rifle scope in place of a spotting scope. I think you would fair better using a lower mag range rifle scope and a compact 25X spotting scope for spotting and assessing game. That way you'll have a rifle scope with a wider field of view and better contrast (less glare), and a much better scope for spotting game.

Also I suspect that a single BDC turret won't be accurate over an altitude range of 9,000-14,000 ft. If you live at sea level, even making the range shots needed to accurately get ballistic drop for your load and rifle at a high altitude may be difficult. I think I would lean instead toward a mildot reticle and range cards that I prepared ahead of time. You could prepare them at something like 2,000 ft intervals and 20 degree intervals. You would be covered with 8-12 cards. The range cards could also be the back-up to a portable ballistic computer.
Good point on the spotting scope. I am going to borrow a Leica from a friend so I should have that covered.

I agree with the BDC turrent being a PITA. I am talking about a MOA turret, which essentially lets you dial in MOA a lot quicker and has a zero stop. IE if your chart tells you to adjust for 7.5MOA, you can either try and count off 30 clicks with no reference point beyond your zero, or just dial in 7.5 on your turrent. I tend to over analyze everything, lol.

My buddy that I am going with will be my spotter and I will be his when he shoots. We will both bring our iphones for ballistics calculations with a set of cards for both rifles. He's talked about getting a Kestral 4500 NV w/ Ballistics but I am not sure quite yet if hes going want to spend the coin. We are trying to save money when possible, but don't want to skip anything essential (ie I had to buy a pair of good mountain boots).
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Any idea on the prices? I found that kelbly.com is a distributor but I cant find prices anywhere.
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Good point on the spotting scope. I am going to borrow a Leica from a friend so I should have that covered.

I agree with the BDC turrent being a PITA. I am talking about a MOA turret, which essentially lets you dial in MOA a lot quicker and has a zero stop. IE if your chart tells you to adjust for 7.5MOA, you can either try and count off 30 clicks with no reference point beyond your zero, or just dial in 7.5 on your turrent. I tend to over analyze everything, lol.

My buddy that I am going with will be my spotter and I will be his when he shoots. We will both bring our iphones for ballistics calculations with a set of cards for both rifles.
Oops. I misread your post about the turrets. I'm on the right page now.

If you're taking a spotting scope, I recommend you look at something like a 3-12X50. That should be ample for big game up to even 800 yds. You'll have much better contrast.

That assumes you have good vision or can wear correction. If you have vision problems then you may have to go to a higher mag.
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