Originally Posted by 300rum
i just got one hawky 6-20x42 mildot scope for my 7mm rm rifle few mo ago.
if i compare them with a nightforce scope.... well
hawky has good tracking
outstand the recoil of 7mm rem,
pass the box test
very impressed by the lock knows system- very handy in hunting situation.
nice mildot reticle with half hashline gradations.
moa clicks and mildot reticle
clicks are not sharps and heavy as nfx
glasses at max power are darker.
for the 300-400$ scope it is a very good deal.
they have very appealling design
i just want to see this scope with moa/moa ret or mil/mil ret.
I'll chime in because HighPower
Optics is a Hawke dealer and I have a lot of experience with some of their products. We have evaluated several of their scope lines and we carry the Sidewinder 30 and Sidewinder Tactical rifle scopes, and the Frontier ED binoculars. They are the only Chinese optics that we sell.
We decided to carry them because they are well built products at a great price and return rates are low, which confirms to me that Hawke does a good job with quality control at their factory. We've had no customer complaints. We had one customer return a scope because the box was dented in shipment, and he exchanged it for a different Hawke model. Hawke's warranty is excellent, although to my knowledge none of our customers have had to use it.
I agree with 300rum's assessment, assuming that he is talking about the Sidewinder Tactical model. One thing that attracted me to these particular Hawke scopes is the excellent resolution and high contrast. At this price point, Hawke scopes have unusually good optics. Also, they have a solid construction and are very durable. Other nice features include the reticles and illumination systems. Be aware that because the Sidewinder Tactical has a 42 mm objective, it will not be as bright as a larger objective scope at the same magnification.
Regarding mil/MOA vs mil/mil and MOA/MOA, I have the following viewpoint. It generally costs extra to get a mil/mil or MOA/MOA scope. I'm all about saving money, so I've found ways of using second focal plane mil/MOA and mil/IPHY scopes that avoid the usual problems.
I use a mildot reticle to hold for wind and sometimes to mil impact miss distances to determine aiming corrections. I run my ballistic calculator one of two ways, depending on the type of shooting I'm doing. If I'm not going to mil misses, I simply program my ballistic calculator to output elevation holdoffs in MOA (which I dial) and windage holdoffs in mils (which I hold, not dial). That way I don't have to do any math in my head.
If I need to mil misses as well as hold for wind, which is more common for me, I simply drop the magnification down to the value for which the mildot reticle is calibrated in MOA. In the case of a Hawke 6.5-20X, that means reducing the magnification down to
20X x (3.44/4.00) = 17.2X
The Hawke mildot reticle is then calibrated in MOA, with 4 MOA between dots and 2 MOA between a dot and a line. Now I have an MOA/MOA scope when I need it. The scope lost 16% of it's max magnification in the process, but I rarely operate scopes at their max magnification anyway. This method can be used to convert any second focal plane mil/MOA scope to an MOA/MOA scope.
If I wanted a wider field of view for some reason, I would drop the magnification down further to 8.6X. Now the Hawke mildot reticle has 4 MOA between a dot and a line.
To the OP, HighPower
Optics will be placing a restocking order with Hawke soon. If you pre-order from us, you'll get a very good deal. LRH members always get a good deal at HighPower
Optics. The deal on a pre-order like this is even better. If you decide to go with a Hawke scope, pm me to talk models and prices.
Hawke Sidewinder Rifle Scopes