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Going Scope Crazy!!! ....err

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Unread 02-21-2011, 11:55 PM
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Going Scope Crazy!!! ....err

My eye balls hurt, my head is spinning. I have been reading and reading and asking and asking about scopes for months. Cabelas, Scheels, Bass Pro, internet, etc.... except for LRH. I have 3 new rifles and none of them have scopes cause I can't narrow anything down.
Have a REM AR-15 VTR .223
Have a REM VSSF ll 22-250
Have a REM Sendero SF ll 300 RUM

As far as reticals, I really like the DOT retical for small varmit calibers due to its simplicity (spelling) and ease of on target use. That is my choice.

As far as the 300 RUM, I'd like a scope to dial in that is actually accurate. I had the Leupold VX3 with the Boone & Crockett retical and it was way off after about 450 yards with the load I used that matched thier dope chart exactly. I'd like a scope for the RUM that is simple as far as the retical, but I can dial up and place on target.....with extensive testing and a dope chart.

Price for the 22-250 and the .223 ................under a $1000 each
Price for the 300 RUM ..........don't really care.

I am so lost on which scopes cause some do not offer the DOT rectical. Would like a higher powered magnafication for all.....say 4-16x50 30mm tube for RUM and or 6.5x24x50 30mm tube for varmiters. Ones that are CLEAR close range to infinity.

Nikon? Sightron? Nightforce? Leupold? Bushnell? Vortex? Maybe I'm just dumb, but the side parallax is a pain to me.....I think. I have to adjust it to see clearly up close, but if I have to make a quick long shot, in order to see clearly through the scope, I have to adjust it first to see??? Huh?? That doesn't seem to make much sence to me. So, what works? Hard to choose when I can't take them all out in the field and shoot. Although Bushnell has this Elite 6500 series, their name still worries me. Same with Sightron, Vortex, and even Nikon. Just not sure, so any and all infor would be great from all you guys that really know your stuff. Again, thanks for any future help.
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    Unread 02-22-2011, 03:49 AM
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    There are TONS of options, really are. Although the dot is hard to find, I agree there are not alot of them out there.

    I like the dot on a quick point and shoot type of rifle. I use a Leupold 4-12X42 with Leupold dot on my 25-06 BDL. Sight in at 300, hold on hair out to 400 or a little further. The official "Leupold Dot" is hard to find, but it's a 1/2 minute dot with fine crosshairs that get thicker as they extend outward. Easier to find the dot then the "floating dot" type of reticle. I Really Really like mine for quick shots. Call Leupold and ask what scopes they put the LD in.

    For the most part, sounds like you want simplicity in a reticle. That gives you alot of choices. Hard to beat a standard duplex if you are wanting/willing to dial the knobs for long shots. Just about everyone makes a duplex in just about every scope model.

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    Ones that are CLEAR close range to infinity.
    When you get over 10X-12X, that will be an issue. Plain and Simple, we gotta focus something for distance, or turn the power down.

    I usually set the SF or AO for clear at 200-300 (for most shots) and it's pretty good from about 100 to 400 that way. If I think I might need to shoot closer than 100, just turn the power down some. Further than 400, usually have some time to adjust.........plan on having some time to adjust if you are dialing scope adjustments.

    Brand is alot about personal preference. I've used/owned Bushnell, Weaver, Burris, Zeiss, Leupold, and Nightforce. I like Leupold and NF and Zeiss. I've been around and seen Nikons and know people that really like them. I know people that really like their Bushnells too. I haven't seen any Vortex or Sightron scopes yet, but am thinking I'll look into them a little. To each their own.?
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    Unread 02-22-2011, 11:22 AM
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    As far as the 300 RUM, I'd like a scope to dial in that is actually accurate. I had the Leupold VX3 with the Boone & Crockett retical and it was way off after about 450 yards with the load I used that matched thier dope chart exactly. I'd like a scope for the RUM that is simple as far as the retical, but I can dial up and place on target.....with extensive testing and a dope chart.

    Price for the 300 RUM ..........don't really care.

    say 4-16x50 30mm tube for RUM
    If you want a scope that will be exact in yardage there are some really great options. Best thing to do is shoot the gun with standard turrets to confirm drop, collect the data and get with the companies below and they will build you a turret for the scope. Here are some options:

    Huskemaw Optics
    (never been super impressed with the optic quality of these scopes, others claim super optic quality with these, but the Blue Diamond maybe the answer?? The system of reticle/turret is nothing short of genius though.)

    gseven - Home
    Using Nightforce as their base scope, you know you will be getting the high end of optics but they are not cheap either. Designed by the same guy that did Huskemaw

    Greybull Precision
    Based on the Leupold scope, you know its tough, decent optics, and the price is decent too.

    Kenton Industries
    They will give you the choice of the scope you want and will make the turret for that scope, there is a good list of scopes vs. cost they can build turrets for on the site. No windage correction on the turrets and no reticle to match, thus not a "system" like those above.

    Vortex Optics - Home
    Here is a manufacturers option. Check out their TMT turret option.

    Hope this will give you some ideas for starters, could have just made your life mor confusing though LOL.
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    I am going crazy trying to offer advise, you really need to narrow it down one a t a time , ok what you need to do for each? what is going to be the main application for each rifle? What conditions, are you target only or?,, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
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    Well narrow it down I did. I'm going with the Sightron Slll SS 6-24x50 LR D 30mm tube. Finally found the 2 I need for the varmiters. Have the exact retical I've been looking for in the type of scope I've been looking for. Think they will do pretty good. Haven't actually looked through one, but have read lots of great post about them. Power level seems about right as well.Low enough to see close, but not so far out (I think) to were it will be blurry or unclear. Best price I've found is $792. I'll keep shoping for price, but I'm 99% sure that is the scope I want on the .223 and 22-250.

    As far as the RUM, would be nice to plink around 1000 yards. Not sure I'll ever try and take an animal that far, but would like the option for in the far away future. Like I posted earlier, I tried the Leupold VX3 4.5-14x50 LR Boone & Crockett retical. I followed thier instruction to a "T" and used thier ABC chart and bullet impact wasn't even close out past 450 yards. I even built loads with exact bullet weights and speeds according to that chart. No go. Called Leupold and they said it was just a ball park system. Still like Leupolds, just not looking for a ball park scope. Not fair to any animal. Anyway, now to find the RUM scope. Have considered the new Huskemaw scope, but too many people seem to bad mouth Huskemaw.....not sure why. That kind of steers me away from wanting to try them. I dunno. Thanks again for the advice and help guys.
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    There is nothing wrong w/your Leupold, I have several of that model.You just need to learn some long range techniques. The Huskamaw wont fix you , not if you just say a velocity and bullet and go from there. You need to shoot and chrono your load, then go to any free ballistic calculator, for drops. The B&C reticule is first hash 2.2 drop,second4.8,third 6.3, post 7.8 moa. Ilike a 200 zero. Figures are on large delta. Calc a 200 zero and see what drops match reticule. There is a program to do this also, some scope companys have there own on web site.You then STILL have to field verify, doesnt matter what scope.Notice you are in G Falls, I would think someone at Scheels in gun dept. would be up on this, they sell rifles with test targets that shoot itty bitty groups.I also use the last hash as a dial off point, which is a 500 hold for my 257.Example I dial 2.6 moa on cds turret for a 600 yrd. shot
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    get your gun shooting whatever bullet you want, sight it in at 200, then see what yardage the hashes are good for. they will rarely fall right on the even 100 yard intervals.
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