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Old 01-03-2011, 11:31 PM
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Re: FFP and SFP and ranging

i don't understand why he's worried about hash marks for holdovers. he's only shooting to 400. get a 4x16 PST with a MOA reticle and you're good to go.
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Old 01-04-2011, 09:11 AM
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Re: FFP and SFP and ranging

Thanks for all the replies, I think that FFP is the way to go, to keep it simple as mentioned.
The Menace is in my budget, I would love to get a NF or Vortex PST or the like but scopes are very expensive in South Africa, eg the Menace 5-25x50 is approx $450 in US but is approx R6 000 ($882 at exchange rate of 6.8/1), most other decent scopes are approx double your prices. Rifles are even more expensive, my Howa 24" Varminter in 308 heavy barrel with laminate stock was $1 618 (R11 000, again at 6.8/1 exchange rate) compared to approx $767 (from albeammo.com).
The FFP will allow me to zero, range with rangefinder and hold over using reticle at any maginfication, simple.

Which reticle would you guys recommend? The Enhanced MD or the ML16 skeleton?
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Old 01-05-2011, 07:59 AM
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Re: FFP and SFP and ranging

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Originally Posted by Vleder View Post
Thanks for all the replies, I think that FFP is the way to go, to keep it simple as mentioned.
The Menace is in my budget, I would love to get a NF or Vortex PST or the like but scopes are very expensive in South Africa, eg the Menace 5-25x50 is approx $450 in US but is approx R6 000 ($882 at exchange rate of 6.8/1), most other decent scopes are approx double your prices. Rifles are even more expensive, my Howa 24" Varminter in 308 heavy barrel with laminate stock was $1 618 (R11 000, again at 6.8/1 exchange rate) compared to approx $767 (from albeammo.com).
The FFP will allow me to zero, range with rangefinder and hold over using reticle at any maginfication, simple.

Which reticle would you guys recommend? The Enhanced MD or the ML16 skeleton?
I don't know what the ML16 is, but 1/2 mil marks are good, 1 mil covers alot and isn't real precise IMO. 1/2 mils can easily be visually divided by 2 for a 1/4 mil if need be.

For the shooting you're talking about. You could get it done quite easily with either FFP or 2nd (if 2nd is less money). You would just have to find a scope that's mil system works at somewhere in the 10X-14X range........leave it on that power for all shooting, near and far.

Sight in at 200-250yds, and use the reticle to hold low by X amount at 100 and use the reticle to hold high by X amount at 300, 400 and 500 ect. This is usually what I do for most of my shooting out to 500 yds or so. I've done it this way for alot of years now. It works, it's simple, and it doesn't matter if you've got FFP or 2nd FP, because you just leave the power the same all the time.

Just a suggestion if 2nd FP is less money (FFP is way more expensive here in the US).
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Old 01-05-2011, 11:16 AM
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Re: FFP and SFP and ranging

SBruce

You can view the reticles on
http://www.falconoptics.com/pdf/FFPEMDMaster.pdf

http://www.falconoptics.com/pdf/FFPML16Master.pdf

methinks that the ML16 will be better suited IMO. FFP scopes are not really used or well know in South Africa, most average hunters just buy a scope (which is invariably SFP) and shoot with guestimate holdover, only your serious target/hunters who reload and have custom guns are aware of such differences. Again price is a big factor here, for example a NF NXS 5.5-22X56 NP-R2 FFP is approx $2 280 in South Africa. I can get the Menace in the UK and a buddy there will mail it to me a la gift wrap birthday special, no US or UK dealers may send a scope to (most) foreign countries without export license.
Reson why I want to go this route is to give myself max advantage when hunting, wounded animals cost money! And some of the animals (like Springbuck and Impala) are pretty small at 250m so you need to be accurate.

joseph
I am not ware of any custom drop turret guys in SA, will have a check. I am sure if I want to go that route sometime I can send my specifics to a US dealers and they can make it there? That would sure be another way to go and be convenient. MIL's is easy for me since it is 1cm at 100m, there's no time for math in the field! Keen on getting a Leupold rangefinder TBR 600 so will range in m and give drops in MIL, easy enough, so now all I need to do is est wind and shoot properly (that's the easy part isn't it ! ;-))
The Vortex scopes are nice, but again the PST's are in NF price range here, $2 200 and up. Madness.

thanks for all the comments gents,
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Old 01-05-2011, 03:02 PM
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Re: FFP and SFP and ranging

I would go with the ML16 too for ultimate in precision. Although, the other one with dots might be better in low light or quick shot stuff, cause the dots stand out a little better, might be easier to to "find 2 1/2 mils" in a hurry.??
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