Originally Posted by Broz
You are more than welcome to come shoot with me anytime. But be warned the scope that may be on my LRKM could be a surprise. You will probably hate it, so bring along a FFP and we will do some field testing.
The fact is the SFP will work equally well at close and far shots. The things that are important to you like having to be on max power or the chance of a mistake I do not feel are really that valid of an issue. I am almost always on max power. If I come off 22x it would be for a close chip shot and even then why would I? If I am spotting for someone and need to call a correction using my reticle I would only be on max power where the reticle is just as or even more efficient than a FFP. Also, my SFP has the advantage to hold 20 MOA in the reticle, if I need more I have the option to back down to 11 X and that 20 now becomes 40 moa. Can't do that with a FFP.
As for your quote that "95% of LR shots are under 1/2 mile" That's 850 yards or so. I think with gaining technology and the love of this LR sport that is becoming less true. Especially for practice purposes. Many are now taking factory rifle to 1000 on a regular basis. Also many , as I, believe in practicing well past where you intent to hunt. This makes the actual shot at a shorter distance easier when you need to do it. This is something Shawn teaches too. So, you jest about us being not being in the 21st century??
I believe in buying as good of equipment as your budget will support. I like this equipment to last and I don't want to out grow it. So if I buy a scope that is better suited for closer distances like you state 1/2 mile, then I could end up wishing I had the better choice down the road as I work my way out to the longer shots. Like I said, the SFP will do both with ease for me, and I prefer it.
I hope this discussion is bringing out some points of operation for both so the OP can decide which is good for him.
Hey, I don't hate SFP, as a reminder I still use them on many guns. I just like the features FFP provides for big game hunting and don't find their limitations nearly as big of a deal as you do. I do practice further than I shoot BTW. I was just out back of my house where I have a 125 yard archery target course, getting ready for a late season mule deer hunt. Same applies to rifle hunting. But when I practice LR shots I am choosing rocks the size of the vitals of the animal I am going to be shooting and I center things up just like I would in field conditions.
Like we have discussed on other threads I think a couple important points should be mentioned. 1. I am not as dedicated to the LR game as some are. I know a few guys that will pass up shots because they are too close. For them the trophy is in the shot. And I totally get that but it isn't me. I also don't setup for a LR shot and wait around for something to present itself. Maybe I will have that kind of patience sometime but for now I am way too impatient and enjoy seeing as much country as I can while I am out. I am not going to pass up what I am looking for no matter how close it is. 2. I don't shoot nearly as far as you do.
For my purposes I want a system that allows me to have as perfect of a system as I can for my style of shooting and any shot I will encounter from close range moving targets and all the way out to 1/2 mile or so. So I am not a huge high magnification fan either. I like 3-4 on the low end and 12-16 on the high end, although 20 x or so is fine. I just don't like the narrower field of view, higher mirage, etc. that high power scopes have. I like using the reticle for holdover out to 4-500 yards. I really like holding for wind and dialing distance even on longer shots. I like being able to call hits/misses (especially during practice) with ZERO risk of error. It is a huge aid for me in learning to read the wind better and this is the toughest part of LR shooting. For my parameters the FFP is ideal. If I hunted differently or shot longer distances like you do I would have an SFP scope but I would still miss the FFP features.
Originally Posted by Broz
Oh, but you are wrong here my friend. I have done it many times. I hunt dark timber for elk too. Plus shot many coyotes while on stand. If I can find and get on a yote, a deer or elk is only easier. Never a problem with the RP-R1. Maybe you should try one and see for yourself? Plus I have never taken a shot at game with the ILL reticle either. To me it is more of a novelty than a necessity.
That is interesting. I have used one and had a really hard time seeing it in dark timber and in sage brush areas at dusk/dawn. There is another thread right now about changing from the NRP1 to a new reticle for this exact reason. Different strokes I guess.
I also hope this is helping show both sides of this issue. There are definite positives for both.
You are killing me with the new scope for the LRKM. I am guessing the NF 8-32?