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FFP or SFP Please vote

 
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:47 AM
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Scott I just think you need to shoot a little farther.

Really though, it all boils down to this, and we all have heard it before.

"Aim Small Miss Small"


Bigngreen did bring up a good point I had never though about before. For a hunting scope the FFP's are backwards for me. I would prefer a thicker larger reticle at low powers. For use when you are in dark timber or thick stuff and you turn power down. This would assist in seeing the reticle easier and the larger reticle then would not matter as the shot would be closer and the target larger. But for the long shots have the reticle get smaller as the target gets bigger when you crank up the power. Quick acquisition of the reticle is less important at longer distance as they are seldom fast shots. So yeah, backwards to me too.

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Old 11-15-2012, 11:58 AM
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Scott I just think you need to shoot a little farther.

Really though, it all boils down to this, and we all have heard it before.

"Aim Small Miss Small"




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So can I consider that an invite to come shoot your LRKM when Shawn gets it done?

Ya, you are probably right! If I was shooting big game over 1200 yards all the time then I probably would have an SFP scope. But it would be on a dedicated LR rig like the LRKM or a heavy canyon rifle like Shawn builds.

But 95%+ of LR shots are under 1/2 mile and today's FFP scopes are perfectly suited for those ranges IMO.

Yes, I know I am the weirdo and in the minority on this site!

Scot E.
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Old 11-15-2012, 12:04 PM
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So can I consider that an invite to come shoot your LRKM when Shawn gets it done?

Ya, you are probably right! If I was shooting big game over 1200 yards all the time then I probably would have an SFP scope. But it would be on a dedicated LR rig like the LRKM or a heavy canyon rifle like Shawn builds.

But 95%+ of LR shots are under 1/2 mile and today's FFP scopes are perfectly suited for those ranges IMO.

Yes, I know I am the weirdo and in the minority on this site!

Scot E.
you're no weirdo

I'd shoot an FFP, but most of them don't have a reticle I really like...for the price anyway, I almost went the FFP route with my Viper PST, but decided against it, though it was a close decision. I like the Viper EBR-1 MOA reticle. For me, because the reticle changes size, to stay the same in relation to everything else, being me, and having very little experience, the worry was having too thick at the top end, or too thin at the bottom end (I like being able to "adjust" the reticle size by changing power settings) Then again I'm a newbie to all of this, and don't actually know that much, and have always used SFP reticles, so when I save for my Nightforce ( about 3 years down the line) I might opt for an F1, we'll see.
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Bigngreen did bring up a good point I had never though about before. For a hunting scope the FFP's are backwards for me.
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But that is why an FFP reticle has the thick outer lines. Just like the german 4a reticle, they act as an eye catching bracketing system that centers the target for those dark timbered, low light, or close range shots.

I can't imagine how you would ever take that kind of shot with your NPR1 reticle. It is way too thin to ever find it in those conditions. I guess the illuminated reticle helps with this but what about all those thin reticle scopes that don't have illumination?

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Old 11-15-2012, 12:35 PM
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So can I consider that an invite to come shoot your LRKM when Shawn gets it done?

Ya, you are probably right! If I was shooting big game over 1200 yards all the time then I probably would have an SFP scope. But it would be on a dedicated LR rig like the LRKM or a heavy canyon rifle like Shawn builds.

But 95%+ of LR shots are under 1/2 mile and today's FFP scopes are perfectly suited for those ranges IMO.
Scot E.
You are more than welcome to come shoot with me anytime. But be warned the scope that may be on my LRKM could be a surprise. You will probably hate it, so bring along a FFP and we will do some field testing.

The fact is the SFP will work equally well at close and far shots. The things that are important to you like having to be on max power or the chance of a mistake I do not feel are really that valid of an issue. I am almost always on max power. If I come off 22x it would be for a close chip shot and even then why would I? If I am spotting for someone and need to call a correction using my reticle I would only be on max power where the reticle is just as or even more efficient than a FFP. Also, my SFP has the advantage to hold 20 MOA in the reticle, if I need more I have the option to back down to 11 X and that 20 now becomes 40 moa. Can't do that with a FFP.

As for your quote that "95% of LR shots are under 1/2 mile" That's 850 yards or so. I think with gaining technology and the love of this LR sport that is becoming less true. Especially for practice purposes. Many are now taking factory rifle to 1000 on a regular basis. Also many , as I, believe in practicing well past where you intent to hunt. This makes the actual shot at a shorter distance easier when you need to do it. This is something Shawn teaches too. So, you jest about us being not being in the 21st century??

I believe in buying as good of equipment as your budget will support. I like this equipment to last and I don't want to out grow it. So if I buy a scope that is better suited for closer distances like you state 1/2 mile, then I could end up wishing I had the better choice down the road as I work my way out to the longer shots. Like I said, the SFP will do both with ease for me, and I prefer it.


I hope this discussion is bringing out some points of operation for both so the OP can decide which is good for him.

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I can't imagine how you would ever take that kind of shot with your NPR1 reticle. It is way too thin to ever find it in those conditions. I guess the illuminated reticle helps with this but what about all those thin reticle scopes that don't have illumination?

Scot E.
Oh, but you are wrong here my friend. I have done it many times. I hunt dark timber for elk too. Plus shot many coyotes while on stand. If I can find and get on a yote, a deer or elk is only easier. Never a problem with the RP-R1. Maybe you should try one and see for yourself? Plus I have never taken a shot at game with the ILL reticle either. To me it is more of a novelty than a necessity.

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Re: FFP or SFP Please vote

Good discussion of the pros and cons going on here. Thanks to all for sharing their experiences and opinions. I'm surprised there aren't more FFP guys describing their preference for holding off for wind and elevation at all power levels with their FFP reticles.

I use SFP, and have never owned or used a FFP. Only read up on the various pros and cons on Forums. So I enjoy learning from the experiences of other members here. Broz has really thrown his interest, equipment, and efforts into extended long range shooting, practice, and hunting, so really appreciate it that he continues to actively post his findings and experiences. My experience and opinions with SFP scopes more or less mirror his and bigngreen's explanations on the benefits of SFP.

Mikecr's comments on the benefits of SFP for varmints is clear to me, which also explains why many like SFP for larger game also, as the ranges get really extended.
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