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FFP or SFP Please vote

 
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Old 11-14-2012, 03:58 PM
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Re: FFP or SFP Please vote

SFP for me. I'm not convinced the viewed reticle size will EXACTLY follow the power. That would be another thing to keep in check... and one would get to pay more for the priviledge.
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Old 11-14-2012, 05:51 PM
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Re: FFP or SFP Please vote

I agree with Broz, and will only use SFP for distance shooting.

It was said earlier that that precision is the same with a FFP, hi power or low. Well for varmint hunting it is not precise enough at high power. That's for sure.
I could not even see a groundhog beyond a FFP reticle at powers I use. The reticle would completely obscure it.

SFP reticles are MORE PRECISE at higher powers.
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Old 11-14-2012, 07:27 PM
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Re: FFP or SFP Please vote

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It was said earlier that that precision is the same with a FFP, hi power or low.
I mentioned that and was assuming that the OP was talking about big game. I guess I should have clarified that with him but I did mention my biggest use for FFP is for big game use in my post.

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Well for varmint hunting it is not precise enough at high power. That's for sure. I could not even see a groundhog beyond a FFP reticle at powers I use. The reticle would completely obscure it.
With an FFP scope the power you have the scope set on has nothing to do with how much of your target the reticle covers. The only thing that affects this is the reticle line thickness and the distance you are shooting. You may indeed have a reticle that is too thick but the power has nothing to do with it and doesn't make it better or worse as the power increases/decreases.


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SFP reticles are MORE PRECISE at higher powers.
This is true no doubt but a modern FFP reticle is still pretty usable even for tiny critters nowadays. Vortex's nicest FFP reticle has line thickness of .15 MOA. So at 500 yards that reticle would cover .75 of an inch. However this reticle has an open center on the crosshair that subtends .25 MOA which gives a 1.25 inch opening at 500 yards to perfectly center the smallest of critters. Very few varmints that couldn't be handily taken with that setup and you would still have all the advantages of FFP.


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Old 11-15-2012, 12:22 AM
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I apologize to the OP for kinda high jacking this thread but he may find this stuff of interest also.

OK had a email conversation with Vortex about the thickness of the cross hair used in the HS-LR FFP XTR reticle and how thick it would be on 16 power and how much of the target it would cover at a 1000 yards.

The cross hair is .15 MOA at 100 yards so at 1000 yards it would cover 1.5708 inches of a target. These are Vortex's numbers. On deer and elk size targets I can't see a problem. If you were shooting paper and wanted a consistent hold it would be too heavy.

bigngreen in your opinion as you have the HS and have looked through the FFP scope is the cross hair to "thin" on the low powers? It would be somewhere between a 1/8" and 3/16" at 100 yards. Or is it just hard to see?
I was fully intending on giving a newer FFP a try and was going to go with a Vortex PST but giving one a try I found I just could not get the cross hair to show on all back grounds as it was to fine, much like shooting a target dot reticle which I have done for years with a Weaver V16 it is great 80% of the time but when you really really need it it's MIA. I understand that they design most of the FFP reticles to be fast and basically put the cross on the spot and shoot when in low magnification but I still want to see my cross hatches clearly not have them turn into one cross. They just don't fit what I want from a hunting optic, I still find them interesting but just not useful to my hunting! My SFP cross hair is almost to thick for me to shoot with at times at 1000 yards, on an antelope I'm basically trying to push my bullet through a quarter size spot in the corner of the white not the 8 in area I can hit and usually hit, when I start generalizing my aim point I start holding high and missing so I have to keep my aim point very precise!

I have a buddy that does fine with a FFP scope but he uses his as his range estimator and keeps his shots inside 600 yards or so and in his case it's a valuable tool but I have zero need or intention of using it to range so the SFP lets me have more options to use the reticle.
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Old 11-15-2012, 03:40 AM
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Re: FFP or SFP Please vote

SFP, so the reticule does not disappear on low power, just when I want to make fast shots.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:21 AM
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Re: FFP or SFP Please vote

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at 1000 yards, on an antelope I'm basically trying to push my bullet through a quarter size spot in the corner of the white not the 8 in area I can hit and usually hit, when I start generalizing my aim point I start holding high and missing so I have to keep my aim point very precise!.
This is how I feel too. Antelope are tough to anchor, the vital area is small and the window between the diaphragm and shoulder is narrow. Hit them back too far and they will run off. This is why I insist on shooting at a golf ball size aim point too, not a pie plate. We took two goats this year past 1000 yds. I guess you just have to see through the scope past 800 or 1000 to see what we are talking about and understand. It is not only group shooting at paper that requires a small precise aim point and a fine crosshair. I like it on every animal I shoot and that's where the SFP's shine for me.

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Old 11-15-2012, 10:05 AM
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Re: FFP or SFP Please vote

Come on guys, 8 inch aim points and pie plates? You make it sound like an FFP reticle will blot out the entire vitals of a deer or antelope and makes precise aiming impossible. Are you sure you guys have used FFP reticles sometime in the 21st century!

I missed kcecbj's post but he is right on.

The Vortex FFP reticle subtends .15 MOA at 100 yards which equates to covering 1.5 inches at 1000 yards.

The Night force SFP NPR1 subtends .06 at 100 yards which equates to covering .63 inches at 100 yards.

So yes, the SFP reticle is more precise but the FFP reticle is far from unusable even on antelope out to 1000 yards. I have a hard time believing that both of you couldn't perfectly center the crosshairs, that only cover 1.5 inches at 1000 yards, on any tasty pronghorn.

Again, I understand you are more precise with your SFP reticle, which the NF NPR1 is just about the thinnest reticle out there otherwise the comparison gets much closer, but let's not go overboard with the FFP dissing!

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