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Old 03-01-2011, 09:13 PM
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Re: FFP ro SFP Vortex PST

FFP is the way to go for those quick 300-500 yard shots, neil or squat judge and shoot. I feel much more confident knowing I have a hold over options on all settings. Unfortunatly most of my scope are SFP so I have to pay big time attention.
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FFP is the way to go for those quick 300-500 yard shots, neil or squat judge and shoot. I feel much more confident knowing I have a hold over options on all settings. Unfortunatly most of my scope are SFP so I have to pay big time attention.
Just for the sake of discussion, let's pursue this a little farther... Why isn't the SFP good for a quick holdover shot at 300-500 yds? Maybe give an example?
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Yeah, those of us shooting heavy, high BC bullets for long range wind drift don't have quite the "laser flat" trajectory as those shooting little varmint bullets. I see no value in guesstimating inches of holdover when I can precisely hold the correct amount. Even if I leave the scope on 6X.
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Re: FFP ro SFP Vortex PST

A plus for the SFP-

Bought a new to me 7 Rem Mag in Savage 110 the other day and had a chance to go out and shoot it yesterday. Bought a cheap box of Win ammo for the brass and sighted her in at 100. ES was around 140 and SD was like 43. After getting her sighted in, somewhat, I shot for the 500yd gong.

The gong is approximately 2' in diameter. I couldn't get one gong in the reticle between the post and crosshair, so I dialed the power back to where I could get two gongs in the space. This happened to be 8x. The ballistics program said 42", my post to hair was approximately 48", so I just held post on. Ding. Then, using the same info, the 750yd plate is 18"x21" and the ballistics program said around 120+ inches which is around 10'. Post to post is 8' so I added another two and missed just to the right, but elevation was center. I missed my streamers on my target at 100 saying the breeze had picked up. Loaded my last round and ding! $199 Savage package gun and cheapo Win ammo shooting 750... and now I know, 8x with this cheapo Simmons scope, post to hair is 4'.

Of course, the ballistics program also says MOA, so it would've been even easier to keep magnification on max and dial or hold MOA had it been a reticle for it, or FFP on any power...
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Yeah, those of us shooting heavy, high BC bullets for long range wind drift don't have quite the "laser flat" trajectory as those shooting little varmint bullets. I see no value in guesstimating inches of holdover when I can precisely hold the correct amount. Even if I leave the scope on 6X.
My bullets will beat your bullets down range and I don't have to waste so much time clicking

Guestimating? Nahhh.... At 400 yds I hold top of back and at 500, I hold about 9" high (if I'm not clicking), easy stuff.

I wonder how many times the FFP has actually saved the day in bagging a critter? As in, the shot wouldn't have been doable with the SFP.
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Old 03-02-2011, 10:43 AM
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Re: FFP ro SFP Vortex PST

The issue is NOT if it can be done dialing versus using a reticle or SFP versus FFP (or holdover for that matter within reasonable distances depending on the game, cartridge and shooter).

The issue is as I see it is, how do you want to do distance?
Which ways are YOU likely to have less hiccups in the field under pressure of time whether it be hunting or a field match?

The individual answers are not going to be the same.
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Guestimating? Nahhh.... At 400 yds I hold top of back and at 500, I hold about 9" high (if I'm not clicking), easy stuff.
Using a super duper wizbang flat shooting load doesn't make your scope any better. It's simply a crutch covering up the fact you're guessing. You can get away with it a little better a little farther, that’s all. If you put out targets of a somewhat challenging size at various odd ranges and shoot against somebody using a reticle you will get killed in both speed and accuracy.

I used my 7-08 with a mild load of 162's quite a bit of the time last season. How would the above work with that? Since the turrets on that early PST turned out to be too easy to turn I actually taped them up to keep them from moving. I would have needed quite a bit of time to dial. In this case the good reticle certainly “saved the day” and allowed me to keep using the rifle.

I carried the rifle with .7 mils dialed in. That’s 2.4” high at 100 for a zero around 225 or so. Pretty typical “point and shoot out to 275 yds” as most would use such a rifle. That gave me the following dope (the PST reticle has marks every ½ Mil).

300 ½ Mil
350 1
400 1 ½
450 2
500 2 ½
550 3

Those were all within about an inch and a half. Very easy to memorize. Very easy to hold precisely with. Very easy to interpolate between marks for odd yardages. And very fast.

I can be on the rifle, with the crosshairs on the target, finger on the trigger, and when you yell out a yardage I can move it to the appropriate hold and press the trigger in the blink of an eye. There’s nothing as fast as using the reticle in a situation like that. And for anything farther I’d have to refer to my drop chart (only so I didn’t try and memorize too much) and either hold the reticle or undo the tape and dial.

3 Mils at 550 is about 5 feet. And I could very quickly point and shoot and be within an inch or two. Compared with holding over the animals back some guessed amount….there is no comparison.

And before you ask, the 4-16 PST doesn’t have the greatest glass in the world. On a gloomy day at the end of shooting light, you don’t want to have to crank it up to 16X. Being able to crank it up until it goes black, then back off a bit for the best view is nice to be able to do. Even 500 yds is no problem on a deer at 6X. If you suddenly spot a guy with really big horns and you just want to point and shoot as quickly as possible you might even forget to turn the power up. That’s OK, it matters not.

Of course you can say you don’t need that type of capability because those types of situations will just never happen to you, or that you’ll be stubbornly crank the power up to 16X or 24X no matter how that looks, or that you’ll take the time to dial and if that takes too long and the animal goes away then that’s OK, he earned it…. It’s a free country. If that’s how you feel that’s fine.

But nobody has ever explained what advantage you gain by not having that capability. It’s a tool. Some may never find it useful. My toolbox is full of things my wife doesn’t find very useful. That doesn’t gain her any sort of advantage when the time comes something needs to be fixed.

So what is the advantage you expect the OP to gain by not having this tool? How has SFP “saved the day” for you?
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