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Old 09-25-2003, 01:43 PM
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Re: Enough scope power??

Jason, Your really limited it seems, if you want to shoot out that far, I mean I'd think you'd need at least 20x for the 1K PD, and I don't know how the Sightron's are for clarity and such, yes, the BD is 664 at Midway, 1 left, but damn, if they're as good as my boy's Sig. and the 6-24 Sig on my 223, you've got a damn nice scope there, ah, work a little overtime, if you can, before you know it you'll have the money, Sakofan always gives me crap about touting my beloved Burris scopes, can't help it, they work for me, and very well, Thank you, Later, Jay
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Old 09-26-2003, 12:28 PM
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Re: Enough scope power??

I just bought an 02 dakota so funds will be limited for awhile--so i'll prob stick with the 6-18 till i can afford the leupy or get a sightron, should they come out with a 14X side focus. I like the burris, but for 50$ more i could have the more compact leupy that i really want.

thanks for the info though.

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Old 09-26-2003, 03:24 PM
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Jason, did you get the A3 yet? Should be just about the end of the day for UPS drivers out there, so I'll look forward to hearing from you... [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

Re: your scope dilemma, I respectfully suggest you consider how much internal elevation you will need, factoring in your caliber's ballistics, and whatever ring/base setup you will be using.

The Burris BD w/side focus have varying amounts of 'up', depending on which model you get. I know their 8-32, for example, has a mere 39 MOA, so you'd still be challenged to get to 1,000y with a .308 even with a 20 MOA base, because chances are your 100y zero will be something above half of the scope's adjustment range.

FYI, dealer cost on the Leupold LR 4.5-14 w/duplex reticle (Leupold #54660) is $648.60. Their mil-dot version, #54560, has a dealer cost of $719.10.

My preference is the 6.5-20 LR for an application such as yours, because the extra mag can be quite handy for PDs and the like. Duplex version, #52078, is $641.08 (yes, a few bucks less than the 4.5-14, probably because that one is part of their 'Tactical' product line). The 6.5-20 LR in mil-dot, #52199, is $711.58.

All prices above per Jerry's Sport Center, a wholesale distributor w/several distribution centers (including a couple in PA). Know anybody with an FFL? Have them order one for you from JSC.

Leupold cites 75 MOA for the 4.5-14 LR, and 72 MOA for the 6.5-20 LR. Either weighs 20 ounces, a pound less than a Nightforce!

On the barely used market, you can occasionally find both models near or below dealer cost, it's just a matter of shopping the boards and waiting...

On your .308, the 6.5-20 LR would still be best coupled with a tapered base or Burris Signature rings (which you already have and like), to ensure that you don't run out of up before getting to 1,000y.

One last thought, because it works for me (although I have not shot PDs) is the Sightron SII4-16x42 w/mil-dot reticle. One inch tube, A/O, target knobs, sunshade. This scope is on a rifle I use in competition to 1,000y. It has 56 MOA, and on my flat-base setup with regular rings, I run out of up just past 800y. Thereafter, I use the mil-dots for holdover. The mil-dots equate to standard spacing at just below 16x on my scope's dial. Bear Basin sells 'em for about $379.00, but I've seen new/like new versions on the board go for $300 or a bit less.

Might be just the ticket until you decide to pony up the big cash for a 30mm tube scope.

Good luck, whatever you decide.

[ 09-26-2003: Message edited by: Nate Haler ]
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Old 09-27-2003, 06:52 AM
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Nate, With a Mil-dot reticle on the Burris scopes you don't need alot of elevation adjustments, due to the fact you can zero the rifle at 400yds on the center crosshair, and then the subsequent hash marks will be 500, 600, 700, 800, 900, and 1000 being the intersection of the thick and thin part of the verticle reticle, really easy, I'd think, anyway, that's what Larry at Burris told me I could do with the ballistic mil-dot, Jay
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Old 09-27-2003, 09:10 AM
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Right you are Jay, with that reticle (or any reticle that offers multiple aiming points that you can interpret as to MOA affect), you don't have to rely on the scope's internal adjustments to get you to longer range.

And if your caliber trajectory matches the curve that the Burris 'ballistic mil-dot' is based on (which is not the same as standard mil-dot spacing), then you should have a pretty simple task to holdover accordingly.

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Old 09-29-2003, 11:32 PM
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Re: Enough scope power??

i guess i was a little off on the price of the sightron SIII--must have been looking at the wrong thing...oops.

the new 4.5-14 is about 2" shorter than the LR scopes--i have a 8.5-25LRT on my bench gun and i wouldnt want anything that size on my 308. looks like i'll wait till i can afford the new tactical leupold #54560 i think

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