Originally Posted by cdherman
IMHO, if you are wanting to shoot long range you should be capable of several things:
1) reloading -- seldom can factory rounds delivery the precise accurary that long range shooting demands
2) brains -- there is more than just trajectory to precise long distance shooting. Wind, angle, temp and pressure play a role.
3) brains-- NONE of the current scopes, rangefinders, binos, etc that attempt to do bullet compensation allow for complete date entry of the bullet, its BC, MV, etc. They rely on proscribed tranjectories. They lack the computing power to actually take the aformentioned data elements and transcrible them into REAL predictions.
4) money -- a very good rangefinder, will give you the angle, distance, pressure etc. You need to add -- guess what -- brains to memorize tables and figures to interpret those numbers.
Sorry to sound negative.... I've recently worked with several products that attempt to predict hold over or correction. You cannot just plug in distance and get an answer.
Until the scopes, rangefinders and binos that say they can correct for distance etc actually allow entry of ALL the meaningfull data, then I say avoid them.
Thank you for your input.
1)Reloading-I have reloaded for over 40 years just choose not to anymore. I really dont enjoy it .I have found factory ammo has improved so much through the years that finding a factory load that will produce 1/2 to 1 inch groups at a hundred in an accurate rifle is not really a huge issue.
2)Brains-well you may have a point there !LOL
Seriously I do recognize that other factors play a role in the equation.
3)Brains- read above !
Seriously I am aware that the Rangefinding scopes are not a panacea for being able to use data and compute the proper way to use it. heck I have been processing data for my 53 years and sometimes my computer (Brain) comes up with either an incomplete or an incorrest answer ! BUT it still helps and I think the rangefinding scope will do the same and that is help.
I do think that I read the Burris III do take into account BC and shot angle.
4)money-Who has enough !My buisness plan didn,t work as I did not win the lottery !
I am going to have to really think on it but I may(or not !)Have brains enough to do some memorizing and interpretation of data.
Yes you do come off sounding negative BUT that is great as well, as I dont just want oppinions of people who all say the same thing .I want to see opposing views as well so I can use my brain to interpret the data and help me to come to a logical and rational decision whether to buy a rangefinding scope or not.
I appreciate the fact that you have worked with several products that attempt to predict holdover and correction as I can glean from your tests and observation which is exactly why I posted the question. Which of these products have you worked with? The Burris Eliminator,Burris Eliminator II, The Burris eliminator III,the Bushnell Yardage pro etc. I would really like to know how they compare to each other.In your field testing experience can you tell me which one of them you like the best and why or why not .
I am new to this site but see that there are field test and articles written here by members .Do you have information or an article here I can read? Reason I ask is as I said I am new here and have not had a chance to see and read all of them yet,and I want all the info I can learn from BEFORE I spend my hard earned money.They sure are proud of them !!
Thanks again ,