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Clicks or moa ??

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Unread 04-17-2009, 12:50 PM
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Re: Clicks or moa ??

Nope......1 moa at 1000 yards is 10.47" so 10 moa at 1000 yards would be 10x10.47" or 104.7".

For a gun to shot 1 moa at 1000 yards it would have to be capable of groups of 10.47" or less. A lot of guns and a lot of people can do it occasionally but to do it every time is something else. Just check the long range target scores.
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Unread 04-17-2009, 01:11 PM
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Re: Clicks or moa ??

okay thanks .....
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Unread 04-17-2009, 04:24 PM
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Re: Clicks or moa ??

Use MOA.

Clicks are iffy and not accurate unless you have checked to confirm what your scope actually is (not what it is marked). Too many people assume because it says 1/4 inch that means it actually is that. Same model scopes have been proven to vary quite a bit. check yours.

Darrell Holland has a good article on the articles forum about problems discussing this very issue and exactly how to check and see what your scope is. Dan Lilja has a discussion on this also on his website in his LR article also.

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Unread 04-17-2009, 04:44 PM
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Re: Clicks or moa ??

Sounds like +/-10.47"/MOA from center of mark to me.
(104.7inches for 10moa)

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Unread 04-17-2009, 11:34 PM
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Re: Clicks or moa ??

I have been fighting with getting the trajectories more accurate in Laodbase 2.0 and this week the came on that I don't have a MOA scope but a IPHY. Made the change and my predicted trajectories are much better. I need to check my exact amount of come up per rev. though.
If one is trying to predict a shot for a hunting situation then using the right value for you scope will make a difference.
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Unread 04-18-2009, 12:22 AM
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Re: Clicks or moa ??

Not to hijack the thread, but this is one of the reasons I'm working on switching over to all MIL/MIL based optics.

While keeping track of 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 MOA isn't THAT hard, it's still one more little thing to keep your head wrapped around.

Working in base-10 units is just easier to deal with... you don't have to think of MILs versus clicks, because converting between them in base 10 just doesn't require any mental energy. 3.1 MILs is 31 clicks, or 3 MILs plus one click -- but really you don't have to think about it, because it's just how we're used to seeing numbers -- dialing 3.1 MILs is just... dialing 3.1 MILs.

I was resistant to MILs for a while, until I stopped trying to think of it in terms of MOA or tying it to Meters or something.

All it is is a ratio, and it works just as well in yards or meters or inches.

1 yard is 1 MIL at 1000 yards.
1 meter is 1 MIL at 1000 meters.
1 inch is 1 inch at 1000 inches
1 yard is 2 MILs at 500 yards.
1 yard is 4 MILs at 250 yards.

Once I stopped trying to make it hard by thinking in terms of MOA, I've found it a much simpler system to work in. This article is what started winning me over:
Using a Mil Based Scope - Easy Transition | Sniper's Hide

It's also nice not having to worry about "true MOA" vs. IPHY.

Please excuse my evangelizing
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Unread 04-20-2009, 10:12 AM
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Re: Clicks or moa ??

thanks guys for the replies . someone said on another thread if you put garbage in youll get garbage out. so i'm going to see what my scope actually tracks so i have the correct info for input ......
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