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Anyone NOT like burris fullfield II scopes?

 
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Old 03-23-2009, 12:38 PM
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Anyone NOT like burris fullfield II scopes?

I'm thinking about buying a burris fullfield II 3-9 with ballistic plex for my encore 30-06. It's a hunting rifle that I don't use much anymore. I've used the ballistic plex on a 223 and loved it so I was thinking of doing the same for my 30-06.

I can find this scope for $150 brand new onine and just wanted to know if anyone had a good reason that I shouldn't buy one.
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Old 03-23-2009, 01:16 PM
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Re: Anyone NOT like burris fullfield II scopes?

I have not bought one in about five years so they may have improved. For me they are about a 350 yard scope. If I plan on shooting further than that then I want a better scope. I have one on a muzzleloader and one on a 22 rifle. They seem durable enough for squirrel hunting and once or twice a year deer hunting.
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Old 03-23-2009, 01:36 PM
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Re: Anyone NOT like burris fullfield II scopes?

Why do you limit yourself to 350 yards? Just curious.

I had one my 223 last trip to the range and for the first time ever I used the hold over points and shot out to 500 yards with a 2-7. Not all the reticle points matched up perfectly to the hits, but it once I knew where to hold I was good to go.

I'll probably never adjust the scope once I get it setup so as long as it held zero it'd work. Were you thinking that they don't do very well at holding zero past 350?
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Old 03-23-2009, 06:20 PM
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Re: Anyone NOT like burris fullfield II scopes?

I am not here to bash Burris Scopes so I did not post the reasons why I would not use them on a long range big game rifle. Burris has made good scopes for 30 years. I still remember when I first heard of them. I was using Redfields in those days.

When I say the limit for me is 350 yards it comes from laying on a hill trying to kill a groundhog at that range with a 22. It also comes from putting the crosshairs on quite a few deer at ranges of 300 to 500 yards. The Fullfield II are real fuzzy in the red spectrum. If I did not have a spotting scope I would not have known it was a groundhog. Perhaps they are fuzzy in the green too but I only notice it when the animal is not sharp and distinct.

The other thing is they do not have parallax adjustment and it can be pretty bad at longer ranges if you are not careful with your stockweld.

You should understand that I am retired and will spend a good bit of money on my Fall hunting trip and so I would be foolish to spend $5,000 on a trip and rely on a scope that might not deliver. But when I am just hunting squirrels or muzzle loading for deer in Maryland there is no need for an expensive scope.

Maybe the new ones are better, I really do not know. I only know the things I have done and the equipment I personally use.
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Old 03-23-2009, 10:31 PM
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Re: Anyone NOT like burris fullfield II scopes?

That all makes a lot of sense and I appreciate you telling me your experience. I wasn't too clear on the whole red zone, green zone thing. Those were new to me. Could you explain more about that?
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Old 03-24-2009, 06:08 AM
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Re: Anyone NOT like burris fullfield II scopes?

Visible light is composed of the colors of the rainbow. Some animals can see colors we humans cannot see, such as deer can see ultraviolet. At one end of the wave lengths is red which is next to infrared which we humans cannot see. At the other end of the wave length is blue/violet which is next to ultraviolet. In the middle is the yellows,oranges, and greens.

Visible spectrum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In selecting the glass to make a lens and in selecting the coatings for the lens and in designing the shapes the lens designer must make compromises even when cost is no object. Once cost is an object, there are economies to be achieved such as not using ED or Fluorite glass which leads to even more compromises.

If you go to Luepold and read about their mid to top of the line scopes they are advertising that they have improved the blue green color sharpness in their scopes. Well why should I buy a scope with improved color for blue green because unless I am hunting bullfrogs all my animals are brown, reddish or grey. However, if you are one of the people in Iraq or Afghanistan then you might be hunting stuff that is wearing blue/green uniforms and a good sharp blue color would be great for resolving your target.

So from the example of Luepold we can see that a scope lens designer can work to improve certain colors such that those objects are clearer than objects of other colors.

There are other factors that affect the quality of the image you see and the one that we are usually most concerned with at long range is objective size. That is a discussion for another day.

My advice is to take you scope out and look at objects with a sharp distinct edge and see if the color is "true" and distinct at the edge of the object at the ranges you wish to shoot. To be a little kinder to the Fullfield I know very well in the middle of the morning (good light) with snow on the ground I can see through it well enough to tell a six point buck from three does at 350 yards - I just can't shoot a muzzle loader well enough to hit him.

Try to remember that each of us has a little different genetic makeup in eyes and that can range from color blind to limited ability to perceive reds or violets.
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Re: Anyone NOT like burris fullfield II scopes?

I have a couple FFII scopes. Along with the great advise BB gave (specifically the lack of parallax adj), I would recommend you look through the one you are going to purchase. One of mine is clear from edge to edge(FOV), and one is not (will send back some day). They do both maintain their 100 yd zero, even the blurry one.
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