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Adjusting reticle vs. Adjusting mounting - Burris Zee rings

 
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Old 09-28-2012, 10:57 AM
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Adjusting reticle vs. Adjusting mounting - Burris Zee rings

Someone posted the following comment on a product review site, and I'm interested in hearing what others think of what the author is saying about optical quality of scopes changing as we adjust the reticle towards the extremes.

"A little info. When you sight in a rifle scope in, you have to adjust the windage and elevation knobs. The more you "turn and click" the scopes reticle from its factory set "centered" setting with these knobs, you less clear and accurate the scope becomes. Picture a cross hair reticle in your scope. And imagine at its factory original setting you can "turn and click" the elevation and/or windage knobs 100 clicks each direction. You do this to line up and sight in the cross hair with you bullseye target. But, each time you move your reticle cross hair up/down/left/right from its original factory setting, your are moving the reticle toward the "sides" of the scope, when its better and more clear to have the reticle in the center of the scope. Now, what these burris rings allow you to do is instead of "click and turning" your elevation and windage knobs to the extremes where they are near the "sides" of the scope walls, you can FIRST adjust the scope using these plastic inserts that go between the metal rings and the scope. So lets say you shoot your rifle at the target, and your a foot high and a foot to the left. Instead of turning your windage/elevation knobs a foot each way, you put the corresponding plastic inserts in the rings to adjust the scope from the OUTSIDE of the scope, rather than internally. After you do this a few times you will be within say 4 inches of the bullseye, and NOW you adjust the final few inches using your elevation/windage knobs. And because you did very little "turn and clicking" of your knobs, your internal reticle is near the center of the scope (rather than the outside edges), and because of this it is more clear and accurate. Ask any scope expert, they will tell you in perfect world the reticle is near the center like it is when it comes from the factory. This Burris rings and inserts allow you to do this. I also recommend using a one piece base, preferably all steel (could run you 100 bucks for the steel one piece base, but its more accurate and strong). I use these rings on my Winchester 70 .270 and Rem. 700 30.06"
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Old 09-28-2012, 07:09 PM
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Re: Adjusting reticle vs. Adjusting mounting - Burris Zee rings

Wish I had more time to actually write out a more detailed response, but that quote is just crap.
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Old 09-28-2012, 11:33 PM
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Re: Adjusting reticle vs. Adjusting mounting - Burris Zee rings

Not sure what part of it trebark doesn't like, but yes it can work moderately similar to what is described in the quote. Note that the quote is almost verbatim what is said in Burris' own video.

The first time I used Burris Signature rings I was able to get my scope within 5 clicks (total) of being exactly "on" for a 200 yard point of aim. It took some shooting as well as trial and error, but I did it. Since then I've gotten a lot better at the process and it doesn't take nearly so much time. And, I have gotten subsequent scopes just as close - sometimes by intention and sometimes by luck.

Here is their webpade and video if you wish:
Scopes - rings by Burris Optics
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Old 09-29-2012, 08:27 AM
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Re: Adjusting reticle vs. Adjusting mounting - Burris Zee rings

There's no doubt the offset inserts can help to better align a scope (I use Burris Signature Rings on ALL my rifles). The part that is crap is an adjustment in the reticle would someone change the optical quality of the scope.
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Re: Adjusting reticle vs. Adjusting mounting - Burris Zee rings

Well, it wasn't worded very well but I think the gist of what he is trying to say is correct.

A scope is at its clearest when the turrets are close to centered. Additionally, turrets will be more consistent and precise near their center. I also believe a scope is more durable when the turrets are kept near center. That is a bit subjective I suppose but it surely can't hurt and with all the other benefits the signature rings are a no brainer IMO.

Burris signature rings are the real deal. They are an excellent product and I use them on just about everything I own. You can build in cant as well with them which eliminates the need for a canted base.

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Old 09-29-2012, 01:43 PM
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Re: Adjusting reticle vs. Adjusting mounting - Burris Zee rings

Yes, the part about optical quality changing at the scope's adjustment extremes is what I was really wanting to hear peoples' opinions about. I don't see why there should be a change in image quality when adjusting the retcile to the extremes and don't notice it on my scopes.
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Old 09-29-2012, 02:15 PM
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Re: Adjusting reticle vs. Adjusting mounting - Burris Zee rings

Look through almost any pair of binoculars or a spotting scope and the clearest and brightest viewing area is the center. Even with high end models there is still a difference although it is much less noticeable. When a scope turret is cranked to the extremes the lens angle changes and the light path travels through the edges. This will impact the view to some extent depending on build quality, glass quality and coatings. I personally would be more concerned with the other issues that I mentioned that come from using scopes with turrets at their extremes.

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