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Unread 02-11-2003, 09:44 AM
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absolute best scope???

I'm looking for a scope to shoot up to 1000yd. I like the calibrated turrets that are customized to each gun load. I like the fact that set on 100yd I turn the dial to the yardage reading ie 675yd and am point blank no clicks just look at the dial. I need it simple as possible.
I want the best scope I can get.
Option 1
swarovski 6X24
Concerns clarity at 24X, Takes longer to get custom turetts, AO dont want to deal with it at end of scope.
option 2
Nightforce nxs
5-15 or 6-22. Concerns Hate the recticles. I'm a hunter and like a simple fine duplex.
option 3
Leupold. Clarity compared to top end scopes?
option 4
S&B 4-16 p/m 11
Concerncs Again recticle
Concern Light transmission, No parallax adj.

Another question is parralaxx adj need due to power of scope ie >12 or distance??

An comments appreciated.
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Unread 02-11-2003, 10:57 AM
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Re: absolute best scope???

"I like the calibrated turrets that are customized to each gun load. I like the fact that set on 100yd I turn the dial to the yardage reading ie 675yd and am point blank no clicks just look at the dial. I need it simple as possible."

This is a problem and the magnitude of the problem dependant upon several factors, flatness of trajectory, environmentals, target size and angles are four that immediately come to mind.

Calibrated turrets are handy but are not a cure all, the hunter must still understand the limitations and correction requirements. If you plan to hunt at one elevation (plus or minus a thousand feet or so), one standard temperature (plus or minus 5 or 10 degrees) and no angles you might be able to get away without a big problem.

I'd opt for the Leupold Long Range, it has duplex reticle option, side parallax, sufficient clarity and pretty tough. You can order custom turrets with your specific load data for various environmentals.
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Unread 02-11-2003, 02:48 PM
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Re: absolute best scope???

Check out USoptics ST10 with custom BDC knob 1/2 moa clicks and 45 moa in one turn of the knob.

there is a lot of info about it on http://www.snipershide.com
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Unread 02-11-2003, 03:39 PM
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Re: absolute best scope???


There is a chance that Zeiss will release the new 6 x 24 with 56 mm objective at the Shot Show this week. Will let you know when I return.
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Unread 02-11-2003, 06:21 PM
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Re: absolute best scope???

Any of the fore-mentioned scopes will do a job out to 1000. Sounds like you would like to simplify elevation setting down to one reading or number on a dial - only hope for that is a one-revolution turret like the U.S. Optics mentioned, a Leupold M3 (MK4 or LR) or the Schmidt and Bender tactical. Might be a few more, the old 10x Unertl sniper scopes did that job very well also. There are also custom BDC "wheels" for some of the tactical turrets that incorporate distance settings, believe the company was mentioned here a while back, Kenyon? Much greater problem is wind-drift and for that you simply need reliable, accurate turrets period.
The 30mm Euros are usually in metric, that might pretty much cancel them out as we like to think in inches and quarter inches, or MOA and quater MOA etc.
Duplex reticles are not the only hunting reticle. If you are talking 1000 yards you need a pretty fine reticle or you cover too much of the target. Believe some of the guys here are using target dots or extra fine duplex.
The NP-R2 offers hold-over points in the field of view, no cranking. Burris has a couple of reticles that also offer multiple constant aiming points. Easy to create workable charts for mildot scopes for field holdovers, real quick way to get accurate shots off out to 700. If you wish to shoot that far tapered bases might be a strong consideration but they may or may not work well with BDC equiped scopes.
Lots of stuff to mess your mind with...
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Unread 02-11-2003, 07:30 PM
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Suggest check this site, might be of interest.
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Unread 02-11-2003, 08:57 PM
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Re: absolute best scope???

I may be mistaken, (im sure if I am, someone will point it out) but I think only 1 but perhaps 2 of the scopes you mentioned have 8th minute clicks. The Swar15/NF22. I like the fact that my clicks at 1K are 1.25" instead of 2.5" each.

2. Not to sell you on burris, ( I like em). Go to the Burris web site and look at the first page of specifications that they have. It's a very informative table of specs on a whole bunch of scopes. (Many of which WILL NOT work for what you want.) Look at the column of perceived crosshair thickness. Now multiply all numbers by 10. That's how much of a target is covered by the crosshairs at 1K. The 12x and 15x scopes you mention simply are not going to be the best choice for you at that range. This is of course dependant upon your statement that you are "building for 1000 yds". I'd bet that 85% of the matches at williamsport last year were won with scopes of 32 power or higher. I can speak absolutely for the aggregate winners who ALL had 32 or 40 power scopes on thier guns. The winner for LG group in the world open used a 40 power nightforce.

The URL for the burris info is -

for example, in the black diamond series which is the only choice you have for 1K in burris, a 4-16 at max mag of 16 covers .17" of target at 100 yds. or 1.7" at 1K. Our x ring is 3 inches. now go horz/vert and what do you see.

At low mag it covers .62" or 6.2" at 1K.

The 8-32 covers .19" or 1.9" at 8x and .05" or .5" at 1000.

To my knoledge, Burris has the finest crosshairs on the market and certainly finer than the masses. I would be surprised to see anything approach them (in the fine plex). I know for a fact that the Nightforce crosshairs look like telephone poles compared to mine. Not to say that they are all like that, I did look at custom reticles. Were it not for the price, I would own a Nightforce. Fortunately, Im not so sure I'd be any happier. I will find out some day because I will own one.

My advice would be to look into a little more magnification for a few more dollars. All the above mentiond brands have more x's such as a vari-x 6.5-25 that can be sent away and made into a 13-50, etc. Leupold also makes some straight 40x scopes that would be awesome on a match gun. Trouble is, you couldn't find a house in it at short range.
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