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Old 03-26-2010, 01:37 PM
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Re: 1st Focal Plane Reticle

My thoughts on FFP vs SFP. The advantages of the FFP have been spelled out. One of the biggest disadvantages is the cost.

I use a NF 5.5-22 with an NP-R2 reticle, SFP and it works fine for me. On 22x the reticle subtension is 2 MOA, on 5.5x, the subtention is 8 MOA. When I am in the field, it is always set on low power until it's time to shoot, and then adjust power to what I like for the range and conditions. My scope is zeroed @ 300 yds so basically, any shot from point blank to 400 yds is a dead on hold or slightly high @ 400. No need to use any of the subtentions inside 400 yds. Outside 400 yds, I can go to 22x for ranging if I want to. Ranging past 400 yds with a reticle is not a precise method so the ranging argument dimishes, and I can adjust the math anyway.

I dont understand the following from Boss Hoss' post?

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Second plane scopes also have a smaller appearing reticle on the target at high power than low power, which is extremely important for precise shot placement.
The size and thickness of the reticle does not change. If the statement is saying that less of the target is being obscured than with a FFP reticle. I assume that's true because I would think the FFP reticle "grows" with increase in power setting, which is not something I like. Correct me if I'm wrong. One reason I like NF scopes is their fine reticles. I do no like thick reticles, but that's just me.

I am speaking from a bit of ignorance here... but wouldn't the NP-R2 and many other reticles look tiny and very busy on low power?

I know there are a lot of folks who like FFP, but I just don't see a big practical benefit in them. If you are taking a LR shot, your scope will very likely be set on high power (unless you want to power down for mirage) and if you are on high power with an FFP, the reticle is thicker, if I understand correctly, which I do not care for. If your zoom is a factor of 4, then I'm guessing that the reticle will be 4 times thicker?

Anyway, I hunt with a SFP NF and I do not feel disadvantaged in any way.

JM $.02

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Re: 1st Focal Plane Reticle

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My thoughts on FFP vs SFP. The advantages of the FFP have been spelled out. One of the biggest disadvantages is the cost.

I use a NF 5.5-22 with an NP-R2 reticle, SFP and it works fine for me. On 22x the reticle subtension is 2 MOA, on 5.5x, the subtention is 8 MOA. When I am in the field, it is always set on low power until it's time to shoot, and then adjust power to what I like for the range and conditions. My scope is zeroed @ 300 yds so basically, any shot from point blank to 400 yds is a dead on hold or slightly high @ 400. No need to use any of the subtentions inside 400 yds. Outside 400 yds, I can go to 22x for ranging if I want to. Ranging past 400 yds with a reticle is not a precise method so the ranging argument dimishes, and I can adjust the math anyway.

I dont understand the following from Boss Hoss' post?



The size and thickness of the reticle does not change. If the statement is saying that less of the target is being obscured than with a FFP reticle. I assume that's true because I would think the FFP reticle "grows" with increase in power setting, which is not something I like. Correct me if I'm wrong. One reason I like NF scopes is their fine reticles. I do no like thick reticles, but that's just me.

I am speaking from a bit of ignorance here... but wouldn't the NP-R2 and many other reticles look tiny and very busy on low power?

I know there are a lot of folks who like FFP, but I just don't see a big practical benefit in them. If you are taking a LR shot, your scope will very likely be set on high power (unless you want to power down for mirage) and if you are on high power with an FFP, the reticle is thicker, if I understand correctly, which I do not care for. If your zoom is a factor of 4, then I'm guessing that the reticle will be 4 times thicker?

Anyway, I hunt with a SFP NF and I do not feel disadvantaged in any way.

JM $.02
I use MOA reticles on ALL of my scopes that offer them and in fact the one being built at USO has the same as all of my other builds in the SN3 version except for 1. My Zeniths and VMV's do not have MOA reticles. On my competition (1k) rifles the NF's are used because of weight. Any new builds will use the new S&B big boy!!!
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Thanks Don!

That seems a lot easier than using Mils. I'm going to have to search the net and see what i can find on this now.


With both Mil & MOA one must know the size of the object being ranged. They are both angular measurements. It is no more difficult to use Mil to range .

I started use MOA reticle and turrets but have since switched over to Mill and could not be happier
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How is the mil easier? I don't understand it i know is 1 reason, but it looks like an obsolete way to go. I know the military uses it but that dont mean it right.
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How is the mil easier? I don't understand it i know is 1 reason, but it looks like an obsolete way to go. I know the military uses it but that dont mean it right.
Mike
For Mil or MOA you have to use MIL or MOA for size not inches or yards. With Mil it is in 1/10ths. like making change for a dollar bill. That is why Mil is a little easier.

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My thoughts on FFP vs SFP. The advantages of the FFP have been spelled out. One of the biggest disadvantages is the cost.

I use a NF 5.5-22 with an NP-R2 reticle, SFP and it works fine for me. On 22x the reticle subtension is 2 MOA, on 5.5x, the subtention is 8 MOA. When I am in the field, it is always set on low power until it's time to shoot, and then adjust power to what I like for the range and conditions. My scope is zeroed @ 300 yds so basically, any shot from point blank to 400 yds is a dead on hold or slightly high @ 400. No need to use any of the subtentions inside 400 yds. Outside 400 yds, I can go to 22x for ranging if I want to. Ranging past 400 yds with a reticle is not a precise method so the ranging argument dimishes, and I can adjust the math anyway.

I dont understand the following from Boss Hoss' post?



The size and thickness of the reticle does not change. If the statement is saying that less of the target is being obscured than with a FFP reticle. I assume that's true because I would think the FFP reticle "grows" with increase in power setting, which is not something I like. Correct me if I'm wrong. One reason I like NF scopes is their fine reticles. I do no like thick reticles, but that's just me.

I am speaking from a bit of ignorance here... but wouldn't the NP-R2 and many other reticles look tiny and very busy on low power?

I know there are a lot of folks who like FFP, but I just don't see a big practical benefit in them. If you are taking a LR shot, your scope will very likely be set on high power (unless you want to power down for mirage) and if you are on high power with an FFP, the reticle is thicker, if I understand correctly, which I do not care for. If your zoom is a factor of 4, then I'm guessing that the reticle will be 4 times thicker?

Anyway, I hunt with a SFP NF and I do not feel disadvantaged in any way.

JM $.02
Montana,

You make a very good point here. Very good. Your arguments are so valid that I'm swayed to the SFP side of things. I see the advantages of both sides but generally speaking if you're trying to range an object at long range you'll likely be at max power. Then all that holds true of first focal plane scopes is true.

Thanks

Tom
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Old 03-28-2010, 09:43 PM
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Re: 1st Focal Plane Reticle

Tom,

I dont mean to step on any toes or dis anyone's scope, but I just dont see the practicality of a FFP. I sure wouldn't pat more for one, in fact, i wouldn't pay less for one is it does what i think it does in making the reticle thicker on higher power and small and busy on lower power. At the distances I would need a quick holdover, it would be on high power with the same MOA (or Mil) value being the same.

I just dont get it... but then again, my ex-wife used to say that to me all the time
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