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Old 07-02-2012, 08:42 AM
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Re: 1000 yard problem

If the barrel is crooked... you'd have to dial a ton of windage into the scope to get on paper.

He's saying his windage is centered in the adjustment range, so all else would have to be straight, right?

As to the barrel pointing down... I see your point... but that scope is on a 20 MOA base, so it would really have to be pointing way down to run out of elevation at 1000 yards.

Savages are pretty well put together these days... CNC stuff, really tight tolerances.

Could be something that catastrophic, but... <ducks under table> we're discussing a scope which for all its fanfare has, according to many reports, been made in China. So that's what I would first suspect.

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Old 07-02-2012, 09:41 AM
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Re: 1000 yard problem

I have a couple of Savages with the same problem. The latest one required almost 15 MOA vertical adjustment to get to zero. I am using a Vortex Viper Scope with 60 MOA adjustment with 20 MOA base and 10 MOA Offsets in the front and back. If my calculations are correct that should give me 60 MOA in the scope of adjustment and put my zero at approximately 10 MOA high at 100 Yards. When I actually zeroed the rifle at 100 Yards I am about 5 MOA from the bottom of the Scope with 58 MOA of elevation in the scope left to use.
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Old 07-02-2012, 07:21 PM
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I have a couple of Savages with the same problem. The latest one required almost 15 MOA vertical adjustment to get to zero.
Ditto here with a Savage 25. Mine is cocked to the left, which is why I noticed it. However, the misalignment could be in any direction. 15-20 MOA boresight misalignment between the receiver and barrel is not uncommon.

I'm also seeing evidence of bores not being straight in production rifles, with the last 4" of barrel at the muzzle misaligned with the breech end by up to ~10 MOA.

I think this problem is more common than most people realize. Only the long range shooters seem to notice it.
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Old 07-02-2012, 07:38 PM
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Re: 1000 yard problem

I ordered a 30 MOA base today. That should fix the problem and get me back shooting quicker than contacting Vortex.

It's hard to believe that a barrel can be installed that far off.
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Old 07-02-2012, 09:48 PM
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Re: 1000 yard problem

bottom your elevation turret out (count the clicks so you can get it back to center)...

then let us know how many clicks back to 100 yard zero, then count how many clicks from 100 yard zero to "top out."

Hopefully you haven't taken the scope and mount off just yet... there's still some more testing which can and should be done before drawing any firm conclusions.

we don't necessarily need to give the bases, rings and scopes the benefit of the doubt.... the sighting system is going to be more subject to issues than the barrel/receiver union, I would say.

are you sure the mount you have on there now is on correctly?
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Old 07-03-2012, 12:02 PM
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Re: 1000 yard problem

if you do find your barrel is crooked... maybe Savage will check it and fix it... supposedly they "straighten" barrels in the factory, from what I've read this morning. :o

http://www.nij.gov/training/firearms...4.flv&slides=0
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Old 07-05-2012, 07:07 PM
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Re: 1000 yard problem

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if you do find your barrel is crooked... maybe Savage will check it and fix it... supposedly they "straighten" barrels in the factory, from what I've read this morning. :o

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Bending a barrel to change the point of impact relative to the scope settings is a bad thing to do. As soon as it heats up from firing several shots, it'll move impact quite a bit.

If the barrel could be stress releived after bending it, that may help. Otherwise, Savage may well just replace the receiver with one whose barrel tenon threads are on axis with the receiver. If the barrel is bent, I'd opt for a new receiver and refuse any barrel bending fix.
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