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Why are all Remingtons Single Shots?

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Unread 03-31-2003, 07:12 PM
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Re: Why are all Remingtons Single Shots?

My experience with the Ruger 338win is it touched the land on both of them I had with Barnes, Swifts both. Those might have been an exception but they both reached.

You can get longer boxes for most of them to allow you to stay on the lands, but the factories just try to make everything work in the same length actions, if you know what I mean.

It seems the SA Remington is at it's max as far as box length goes, unless you're willing to take metal off the forward feed ramp and reduce the lug abutment thickness... not a good idea. I'm in the same boat with this 243win of my daughters. Rebarreling to 6.5 WSSM, that's an idea. This barrel fouls somethin fierce too!

I start load development seating them on the lands, usually they perform best near this point and not .100 - .200" off as some boxes only allow. Better alignment during engraving the closer they are.

If you get your best load .150" off the lands then start altering seating depth, keep in mind you are changing barrel time just as you did with altering the charge weight, so if you start close to where most shoot well (.000" - .050" off) you will only need to alter barrel exit time a little vs. alot. You may even want to go back and check that the charge weight is still stable on both sides of your chosen load when you are done determining optimal seating depth, or just determine the depth first and double check it after load development is done.

I shoot three 3-shot groups with each load increment or seating depth change to get an agg instead of basing it on one group. I load ten rounds with each change made to the load, the first round is a fouler. After 100 rounds I know what the load will produce with that powder and bullet tested. If you watch point of impact shift, this will tell you where the load stabilizes. The gun should group better at this point too, if not I usually switch to a different bullet. Kind of a modified Audette ladder method, but more conclusive I feel.

Like DWM, I think the the WSSM cartridges would work fine in the short actions railed for the WSM, the WSM works fine in the long action railed for the Ultra mags, after all the body dimension remains the same diameter so why wouldn't it. The boxes are already long enough to keep the bullet base up at the neck-shoulder junction or beyond the doughnut where it should be. Bolt face DIA should be the same as the others, they are just shortened cases as I'm told.

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Unread 04-13-2003, 11:11 PM
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Re: Why are all Remingtons Single Shots?

I would agree with Tim Behel. When working up a new load I always start into the lands, just at the touch point. Then work futher into the lands as I go. A word of advice start out reducing your powder charge, working into the lands increases pressures.
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Unread 04-14-2003, 01:01 AM
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Re: Why are all Remingtons Single Shots?

My Remington .338 Win lets me seat 250 SGK's into the lands and still fit in the magazine. The cartrdiges are way longer than factory, but they are a reltively short magnum to begin with, so there is room to work with. This rifle shoots extremely well.
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Unread 04-14-2003, 03:57 AM
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Re: Why are all Remingtons Single Shots?

Now I know why my smith recommended a long action to build a 6.5 WSM. I always felt the long action was a better design for any round.

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Unread 06-06-2003, 10:05 PM
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Re: Why are all Remingtons Single Shots?

If you really wanted to seat to the lands you could have the barel set back and rechambered , but it sure sucks that the factory goes out of thier way to sabotage accuracy. My ruger 25 06 really improved with bullets just off the lands, but like you guys i have a few that run out of magazine room to soon. ebb
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