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Old 09-19-2005, 08:29 PM
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Re: Whats the longest shot you would take on a brown bear

We're agreed about minimum caliber for Brown Bear. I'm still hoping you'll be able to paste the account of your hunt here for us to read. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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Old 09-20-2005, 11:21 PM
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Re: Whats the longest shot you would take on a brown bear

You guys need to head over to the other thread where folks are championing the .284 on Griz. Having see a Jynormous Black bear charge my father with a well placed 220 gr bullet out his ’06, and taking two more well placed shots to drop it [And knowing a griz is much tougher than a Blackly] – I agree the 338 is on the light side. Perhaps my 338 Lilja/Allen/RUM would be barely minimal.
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<font color="purple"> Regarding GG breaking the old African rule on dangerous game, I haven't heard of wounded ground hogs charging those shooting them and killing them or pronghorn either, hence the 40 cal min on dangerous game doesn't apply.

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You have not addressed my rejection of the obsolete rule, that rejects science and current technology. Modern bullets (Like Richards or the Accubond or a host of others) have been proven far superior to any of the projectiles of the [ QUOTE ]
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Indeed the cape buffalo is far thicker skinned than the griz, and the 375 RUM has numerous anecdotes of it’s efficiency dispatching the creatures.
Check out my 375 RUM v. 416 Rigby page – it clearly reveals the 375 RUM is FAR Superior to the .416 in Energy, Path and Velocity right out the tube and things only get better as time goes on.
I'd love to embed the images here in lieu of hyper-links but a bug in the forum software prevents this. You can right click the link and "Open in new window". (We all have triple monitors right? )
http://groups.msn.com/ultralongrange...amp;PhotoID=70
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<font color="purple"> My partner's bear took five .375's at 28 paces, all from .375's. My bear stopped like he hit an invisible wall when the 350 grain A-Frame from my .416 Rigby hit him as he came at us - the shot was at 150, he was coming like a freight train.

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The trouble with anecdotes like that is they may give you a good feeling but they can not be generalized. Jackie Gleason drank like a fish, smoked like a chimney, was obese and lived into advanced age. Using his lifestyle as an anecdote, we all need to hunt less and party more.
It also suffers from the logic problem of establishing the minimum boundary. Suppose I shoot rabbit rabbits with my 50 BMG - they drop like rocks – and I declare based on my experience that the 50 BMG is the minimum for rabbit rabbits.
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Old 09-21-2005, 09:13 PM
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Re: Whats the longest shot you would take on a brown bear

Ian you are entitled to your opinion and well you have killed one more Brown than I have!I agree the 416's are great old rounds would like to own one eventually.I wouldn't
want to hunt Browns close enough to put salt on his tail by any means!!I can push a 250gr. bullet out of my .338/300 RUM 3100fps (30" tube) with free bore, just glance at the ballistics on this round and chime back with the report how inferior my round is...
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Old 09-22-2005, 12:36 AM
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Re: Whats the longest shot you would take on a brown bear

Sniper2,
I know a very serious brown bear guide who believes that with the proper gear and the right shooter, bears can be taken at several hundred yards. Particularly in the spring when they are feeding on the big flats. BUT, he is also aware that the shooter will have to have one hell of a killing cartridge since a poorly placed shot means his butt has to go into the alders to find the wounded and probably peed-off bear. He is interested in the .50BMG and the .338 Lapua, and maybe someday he will actually take some guys out to kill a bear out past 800 yards.
I guess I would suggest if he does do it to have two shooters like we do with the deer culling - one primary shooter and a backup ready to let fly immediately. Would it work - no idea.

I still like the idea of an invisible brick-wall type bullet for bears, any bear for that matter. Shot placement is everything, but hitting the bruin with total devastation is a nice thing to do from the old weak wobbly knees, heart pounding through your chest point of view. I been there, one or two charges is about enough - I have had more than that with black bears, seen grizzlies charge hard but they were footsnared, saw three big brownies come hard at us during my hunt in '04. Besides the two that came for breakfast I also saw one big old bruiser react to a mouth-blown bear call - we were 150 yards from shore in a Zodiac, that big guy charged us as hard as he could but stopped at the shoreline, then herded his girlfriend into the trees. He was very vocal, very ticked-off. I was so excited I didn't even take any pictures, watched him through my binocs instead. They are ugly creatures, guess I mentioned that already.

I will try to get the OK to pop the article into this site SAP.
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Old 09-22-2005, 12:34 PM
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Re: Whats the longest shot you would take on a brown bear

I am patiently awaiting your answer about the difference between your 416's and my .338/300 RUM...
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Old 09-22-2005, 07:42 PM
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Re: Whats the longest shot you would take on a brown bear

Treadwell was a certified nut case...the betting pool from Natural Resources was not IF he was going to get it by a bear but WHEN .

In the latest issue of Guns &amp; Ammo, the point Cooper makes about a pistol being a good defensive weapon against bears out to 50 yds is correct, but if you shoot the bear at that range you might be charged with unlawful death of the animal...that is still a fairly safe distance to be.

What would I use on bears, nothing smaller than a 9.3 X 74 or .375 H&amp;H. Likely the .416 Rigby or the .400 H&amp;H. They all have the power to stop a charge and the range to push out to 300 yds

At the fishing/hunting lodge by Hudson's/James Bay we use shotguns loaded with “Bangers”, shotshells that shoot an explosive sound round, whose loud noise scares the bears off quite well...we can’t have handguns for protection in Canada, so I just got into the habit of carrying my .425 Westley Richards bolt gun whenever, I set foot outside the cabin.

We’ll scare off about 15 Polar bears a season from the cabins, they come for the garbage dump, 2 miles upwind of the cabins. Mind you we’ll scare off each one about 4 or 5 times until they get the idea that they’re not wanted. We burn everything that we can, but their sense of smell is so great that if a can has a speck of something inside they’ll rip it apart to get at it. We have electrical sensor wire, that gives a shock to the animal and sounds an alarm, around the perimeter of the camp, and the camp is NEVER left unattended with food in the kitchen...yes, the cook is armed with either a shotgun and a Marlin lever gun in .41 magnum or a .45/70 Gov.

Life in the wilds, ain’t it grand.

We have shore lunches, with the worst of the mornings catch. After cleaning the fish (we leave everything for the gulls) by the waters edge...we will not go back to that fishing site for at least a week, until the minuscule amount of blood on the rocks is washed or licked away, because the site will still be attractive to the bears sense of smell, and you don’t want to surprise a Polar bear at their feeding, unless you want to become the dessert, as that then is when they are most protective, maybe even more so than getting between a sow and her cubs. I’ve done the first but not the second, so I can’t tell you exactly which is the stupider to do.
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Old 09-22-2005, 07:55 PM
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Re: Whats the longest shot you would take on a brown bear

Treadwell was a certified nut case...the betting pool from Natural Resources was not IF he was going to get it by a bear but WHEN .

What would I use on bears, nothing smaller than a 9.3 X 74 or .375 H&amp;H. Likely the .416 Rigby or the .400 H&amp;H. They all have the power to stop a charge and the range to push out to 300 yds

At the fishing/hunting lodge by Hudson's/James Bay we use shotguns loaded with “Bangers”, shotshells that shoot an explosive sound round, whose loud noise scares the bears off quite well

We can’t have handguns for protection or hunting in Canada, so I just got into the habit of carrying my .425 Westley Richards bolt gun whenever, I set foot outside the cabin. We are getting a used .375 Scoville Hawk built on a 1894 Winchester lever gun and that will probably be my walking around gun. Lighter than the .425 and might have a faster second shot, will have to test them.

We’ll scare off about 15 Polar bears a season from the cabins, they come for the garbage dump, 2 miles upwind of the cabins. Mind you we’ll scare off each one about 4 or 5 times until they get the idea that they’re not wanted. We burn everything that we can, but their sense of smell is so great that if a can has a speck of something inside they’ll rip it apart to get at it.

We have electrical sensor wire, that gives a shock to the animal and at the same time sounds an alarm, around the perimeter of the camp, and the camp is NEVER left unattended with food in the kitchen...yes, the cook is armed with either a shotgun and a Marlin lever gun in .41 magnum or in .45/70 Gov.

Life in the wilds, ain’t it grand.

We have shore lunches, with the worst of the mornings catch. After cleaning the fish (we leave everything for the gulls) by the waters edge...we will not go back to that fishing site for at least a week, until the minuscule amount of blood on the rocks is washed or licked away, because the site will still be attractive to the bears sense of smell, and you don’t want to surprise a Polar bear at their feeding, unless you want to become the dessert, as that then is when they are most protective, maybe even more so than getting between a sow and her cubs. I’ve done the first but not the second, so I can’t tell you exactly which is the stupider to do.
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