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What is the quickest most foolproof windage method?

 
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Old 02-01-2012, 07:38 AM
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Re: What is the quickest most foolproof windage method?

For several years I used a Mildot scope with turrets and hunted a max range of 600 yards. Used a laser RF for range, Mildots as backup. Dial elevation, Mildots for windage. Because MOA adjustments on the turret were to hard to see and too slow on the standard turret, I would used white electrical tape with black sharpie on the elevation turrret for my ballistic info marked in yards. If I have time I will use a Kestral for wind. Mostly, wind was estimated to within 5 mph, angle included. Quick formula was (distance to target/100)x(wind speed)/caliber factor. Caliber factor was 20 for my 270wsm and 6.5x 284, or 15 for my 308. Example for 300 yards with a 10 mph corrected wind with my 308 was 3x10=30, divided by 15 =2MOA correction. Fast and accurate once you get used to it. Out to 600 yards this was my fastest process. I usually find myself pressed for time in the areas and game I hunt.

As I have now extended out to 1000 yards, most of the process is the same but I changed scopes. I found the Huskemaw design is very fast, although other scopes can be set up similarly. The calibrated turrets are easy to see and very precise. The wind correction on the upper turret works great, and the 1 MOA windage marks on the reticle are good for fast, accurate correction. At the longer ranges I have to take more time for accurate ranging, wind, conditions, etc. For a ranging back up in poor conditions, the power ring rangefinder system on the Huskemaw works as well if not a little better than using Mil Dots out to around 600 Yards on deer sized game. It's a slower process than Mil Dots though.
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Old 02-01-2012, 09:32 AM
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Re: What is the quickest most foolproof windage method?

There is NO fool proof way to read wind!!
The best way is to spend time shooting in various wind conditions!!
And DO NOT take shots at Game at long range in BAD wind conditions!!!!!

You could start here:

Reading The Wind
F-Class Competition As Training For The Hunt

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Old 02-01-2012, 10:53 AM
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Re: What is the quickest most foolproof windage method?

Doping the wind is half science and half art form. The guys that can do it best get very good at gaining a feel for everything that is going on down range then adding the science part to it, ie the wind meter readings and maybe also some mid to far range wind indications as well, to get a final result. This is especially true in mountain country which is where I do most of my shooting.

Because of that I personally like to hold for wind. I think it is the best way to make quick changes in the conditions while still having a specific place to hold. To be clear, I don't hold for windage with a duplex style reticle. That is just guessing. Instead I personally use a MIL hash reticle so there are specific hold points for me on the main horizontal crosshair in 1/2 MIL increments. Then as conditions, and my ability to read them change, I can make slight changes in my hold without moving out of my shooting form to adjust the windage dial.

I have really grown to like the graduated reticle system. And that is saying something since I have dialed for windage and elevation for years and years. I like it so well I have been playing with a couple fully graduated MIL hash reticles for elevation and windage hold offs. It will take some time but I can see myself going solely to that method, especially out to 6-800 yards, and never having to touch the dials except for longer shots beyond 800 yards or so.

One item of note. There are some real world reasons why using a reticle for elevation or windage hold offs is a valid reason to reduce or eliminate error. Especially with an FFP reticle that has been verified to be etched accurately, there is no way for the subtentions to change over time. That isn't necessarily true with turrets. All turrets despite their quality at least have the potential for wear with use and that wear will change their tracking to some degree. With the high quality scopes I am likely talking about a non issue due to how well the turret assemblies are made. But I have seen some of them go bad much faster than I would have anticipated. But this is especially true with the low to mid level scopes that a lot of gents are forced to buy because of budget constraints. On the low to mid level scopes you also often see a difference in tracking when just the elevation turret is adjusted compared to if you are adjusting both windage and elevation. By using the reticle only, once you get the zero set to your shooting area and conditions you just don't have to mess with any internal adjustments and worry about issues.

For his use the perfect scope for me would be a quality FFP scope that would allow me to shoot using a good 1/2 MIL hash reticle out to 5-800 yards (depending on conditions). These closer shots are the ones that you are likely to need to get off a quick shot and by not having to dial any turrets you can do that very quickly by using the reticle. Then at longer distances I would still have the high quality turrets to make any precise adjustments needed to properly place a bullet in the boiler room at LR. There are a few good ones out there now and I think there are more coming down the pipe in coming months and years.

My take and the direction I have been moving lately.

Scot E.
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Old 02-01-2012, 11:18 AM
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Re: What is the quickest most foolproof windage method?

ScottE, I do exactly as you suggest, on my favorite set up, and I will be all mil in future scopes. I like that it is easy to remember mil holds to1000 or more, just less dialing. Which is how a Greybull or Huskemaw are set up also, but moa.I get to 825 On my TMR now and that is with a 200 zero. I could change all that and climb reticule, I just dial long stuff. I have spotted own miss rock shooting at 1200-1500 and been able to read reticule and connect on #2
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Re: What is the quickest most foolproof windage method?

where do I get a picture of the TMR mentioned by SP6' and W'Rose?
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Re: What is the quickest most foolproof windage method?

Here ya go

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Old 02-01-2012, 01:11 PM
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Re: What is the quickest most foolproof windage method?

Thanks for all the input so far... these kinds of formulas and suggestions in the other responses is exactly what I am trying to gather before making a decision on what will work best for me.
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