Nighthawk, born and raised here so I don't have much to base it on really. A friend from Texas is always complaining of the high prices and threatens to go back every day. My experience is people either love it here or hate it... no in betweens.
Gas is 1.65 a gal and during season moose meat is free... when you get em. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
Interesting question that most people do not think of or do not know the answer.
Bullets will richocet in a 360 degree pattern. Yes I said 360. I have seen 308 bullets come back across a firing line and hit a warehouse 300m behind the firing line. The nearest target downrange was 200m. So that means they did a 500m 360 and still penetrated a steel wall warehouse. By the way, soil was rock free ( at least none showing) and mild sand and dirt mixture.
Army has done some high dollar radar tests and discovered that they were getting much more lateral richocets than originally thought. All new army and usmc ranges now have trapezoid bat wing safety zones way out to the sides now to accomodate these lateral richocets which in a 308 is about 1500m more lateraly than before. Total dispersion angle is about 75 degrees left and right from original line of fire.
Distance X (max distance of richocet off earth target going downrange) is 5288 meters (over 3 miles) for a 308. A 50 cal is 6500 meters or amost 4 miles. Vertical hazard is 752 meters up for a 308 richocet.
About 10 years ago near Charlotte NC, two guys shooting SKS's, (7.62x 39) shooting into a bank had a round go back over their head and kill a young girl about 1/2 mile away. They got prosecuted for manslaughter and convicted.
Just something to think about before you let one go downrange.
Travis, when it comes to bullets, anything that can happen will. Be extremely careful about what is downrange of your bullets. If a bullet simply skips and not change much in shape, it could travel a couple of miles.
An unfortunate hunting accident happened in the prairies where a hunter missed a deer. The bullet continued over the horizon and killed another hunter walking the other way.
IanM if you are really interested, our government does have data for establishing a range and has data for different surfaces, backstops, and cartridges.
Should be available from your area CFO. Ask anyone who has had to recertify their rifle range in the last three years. One of the highlights of my shooting career.
Our weather here is perfect for shooting. A little snow, just above zero, and wonderfully calm air. Too bad job, wife and life stand in the way.
When I was a kid I was using the base of an oak tree for a target backstop for my .22. Within the first couple of rounds fired one came back and hit me between the eyes. Lucky for me there was only enough energy left to slightly break the skin. It scared the crap out of me. I don't shoot at trees anymore. The point is, bullets can go where you least expect them to go.
[ 01-23-2003: Message edited by: Mike ]
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Mike, thats the exact same thing that happened to me. When I was about 12 we were shooting at an old rotten tree about 10yds away. One of those solid .22LR bullets came back and hit me square between the eyes. Droped me to my knees and gave me a battle scar [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] for a few days. Never agian. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]
Maybe we should start a LR Hunting sub-group for survivors of being shot between the eyes!
I got cranked pretty good a couple of years ago by shrapnel that blew out of a flintlock, right between the horns and it caused a permanent scar and discoloration. I was taking pictures of a fellow firing the damn thing, got too close and got my bells wrung. Still don't understand how it got me because I had a flash on that big Nikon, which would have partially covered my forehead, but it hurt like hell and bled for a few minutes. Never scratched the lens so that was OK...
A friend got hit in the leg by a heavy muzzleloader bullet that bounced back from a commercial steel swinging target during a show & tell at a conference. Target system was setup properly but somehow the bullet came back and nailed his thigh. Just a bruise and slight cut on the skin but could have done nasty damage to his nads or an eye.
We shoot at a spot with 6-7 miles of dead area. A big rocky flat and it is amazing where some of the bullets make dust traces. Just about all of our shooting is with .30 match bullets, they do not bust up like you might expect them to.
Have never seen any evidence of a bullet coming back toward us but this is very interesting to learn that could be a possibility. Bothers the hell out of me when you hear one do that long whining sound. Fortunately we don't get ricochets since we never miss our steel targets [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
I've never heard a ricochet with my 22-250 but I am shooting BST's and they seem to be pretty fragile. I used to hear them with 22LR and 22WMR on a fairly regular basis.
The only BST that I've heard go where it wasn't intended was when my friend was shooting at a prarrie dog from the back of the farmers truck. He couldn't focus on the radio antenea 2 feet in fron of the muzzle. Me and 3 others were nearly a half a mile away and heard it go over our heads. 5 out of 6 of us got a real good laugh out of it, including the farmer who owned the truck.
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