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Unread 06-23-2009, 04:49 PM
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Re: What do you make of this ?

Appreciate everyones opinions ! Thanks

I tend to think in a different direction.

1. The blood is bright red arterial blood with small bubbles, no signs of stomach contents and not green or brown.

2. After a mad rush the deer sliped and went to a slow walk with the blood trail starting immediately.

3. Definitely bleeding through the entry hole and anyone with experience using the smk through the edge knows how small that hole will be... tiny.

4. Highly likely the bullet did not exit and if it did at those velocities it would not have opened up much and pinholed.

5. Deer did not show signs of hunching up like they usually do when hit too far back.

6. Have also spoken to a couple of very well known guys on the forum with edge experience and they are thinking likewise. At a grand little blood trail is found normally with the 300 smk.

To me I am thinking high hungs or over the heart.

Deer was left overnight till 9 the next day and with a cold night I feel he would have bedded up quick.

We are going back in over the weekend so we will see what we will see I quess ?

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Re: What do you make of this ?

Considering the color of blood and the absence of stomach matter, I believe you may be right.
Maybe a hit on the edge of the lung?
Be sure to update us on what you find. Chuck
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Re: What do you make of this ?

Hope you find him. I had a similar experience, dropped a red stag at 475 yards, he kicked on the ground for several seconds then got up and ran into the bush. Came back next day and grid searched for several hours with my dog, no sign. There was no blood on the ground though, switched from 30/06 to 7mm mag after that.

I agree with you, bright red and bubbles means arterial, especially lung (bubbles) to me.

Have you got access to a dog?

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Re: What do you make of this ?

DHU

Dont consider myself an expert tracker but after reading your post got me thinking a couple of things.

You mention bright red arterial blood with bubbles, after a complete night of being there with RAIN, I dont think that blood was from the day before, just after the shot. Maybe as you state he bedded quickly, and in the morning you guys pushed him away while hiking to where he was, that is why you found bright red arterial blood with bubbles as you mention. I dont think that the bright red arterial blood you describe was from the night before.
It you were able to smell it maybe you were very close to where the buck is bedded. I once found a bear shoot the day before, that was dead in a water hole, and the only thing that could be seen was a little segment of black fur. Never give up in this search you guys are going through. If you keep looking for the animal and found it, you will have a lot of questions solved: where you hit it, bullet holes, bullet performance, distance from the place he was shoot and many more.
Keep up with the search, maybe the dog idea is a very good idea.
Good luck, your friends at this webpage are supporting you. Let us know how it ended.

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Hope you find him. I had a similar experience, dropped a red stag at 475 yards, he kicked on the ground for several seconds then got up and ran into the bush. Came back next day and grid searched for several hours with my dog, no sign. There was no blood on the ground though, switched from 30/06 to 7mm mag after that.

I agree with you, bright red and bubbles means arterial, especially lung (bubbles) to me.

Have you got access to a dog?

stu.

Stu,

May go that way if we have no luck.

Problem he is a no dog area ?

I still believe he's in there somewhere, just got to turn him up.

Considering that 4/5 of the blood would have been washed away, I feel that a unfair picture was presented to us. Without rain I am sure there would have been alot more blood and we would feel more upbeat.

As far as the blood from the morning after I dont think so considering the blood had clotted up and small fatty deposits could be seen in it. Blood goes like this when it cools down and has been sitting for a while.

The search is ongoing..

Thanks for the supportive words boys..

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Re: What do you make of this ?

Still no luck.

Here is a pic of a sambar stag.

Keep in mind that this stag is not standing perfect broadside but I have highlighted the area I belive the strike was.

See below.



My thinking is that the bullet has gone in high under the spine in the rear of the lungs or liver.

The question is at a grand what effect is the stag going to feel from it.

I just dont feel that he is bleeding from a muscle hit only and if the bullet had gone in higher we would have spined him on the spot ? Where could a non fatal shot into this area go ? The blood clearly indicates he is not his in the paunch.

If he is hit in the rear of the lungs high or liver how long do you think he would have stayed on his feet before bedding ? Keeping in mind he was walking after a 5 second mad dash over 50 yards.

I just know that this shot was good but we have been screwed by circumstances. I have placed trail cameras on his scrapes in the immediate area which I will leave for a couple of weeks. If I find he is not pictured and the area has shutdown for stag sign then I will launch a large scale grid exersize. The smell will be a huge assistance.

I found one a few years back that made it 400 yards. We looked all the next day with a great dog and believe it or not we were standing within 30 yards of him, just the wind was wrong ?

Anything is possible though as I have shot enough myself to know they are one tough beast !

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Re: What do you make of this ?

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Still no luck.

Here is a pic of a sambar stag.

Keep in mind that this stag is not standing perfect broadside but I have highlighted the area I believe the strike was.

See below.



My thinking is that the bullet has gone in high under the spine in the rear of the lungs or liver.

The question is at a grand what effect is the stag going to feel from it.

I just don't feel that he is bleeding from a muscle hit only and if the bullet had gone in higher we would have spined him on the spot ? Where could a non fatal shot into this area go ? The blood clearly indicates he is not his in the paunch.

If he is hit in the rear of the lungs high or liver how long do you think he would have stayed on his feet before bedding ? Keeping in mind he was walking after a 5 second mad dash over 50 yards.

I just know that this shot was good but we have been screwed by circumstances. I have placed trail cameras on his scrapes in the immediate area which I will leave for a couple of weeks. If I find he is not pictured and the area has shutdown for stag sign then I will launch a large scale grid exersize. The smell will be a huge assistance.

I found one a few years back that made it 400 yards. We looked all the next day with a great dog and believe it or not we were standing within 30 yards of him, just the wind was wrong ?

Anything is possible though as I have shot enough myself to know they are one tough beast !

DUH
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There is a spot in the middle that is shaped like a triangle surrounded by the heart,lungs and
liver. I have hit quite a few hear with a bow because they drop to duck the arrow. And there
reaction was almost always the same.

The blood was a mix of bright and dark red some times having bubbles in it if I clipped the
lungs. These deer always went a long ways and did not leave a very good blood trail because
the body cavity caught most of the blood.

It will take 6 to 8 hours for him to die so you did the right thing by leaving him until the next
morning. To bad it rained though.

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