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Old 03-07-2010, 11:18 AM
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Re: What caliber 7mm Rem Mag or 300 Win Mag

The Savage tends to feel a little sloppy, but I personally like that cause the bolt functions better, if I were to have anything tighter I would not feel comfortable unless there was fluting to take the crud. The floating bolt head allows for some movement without accuracy issues.
I keep looking at Tikka T3's but the feel so cheesy to me even compared to the Savages, I seem to be in the minority on that though, I have yet to handle one that the bolt didn't feel sticky to me, I like to be able to lift the handle and raise the muzzle and have the bolt slide out after days of hunting the Tikka won't do that as far as I have handled them.
Bottom line the gun that fits will be the best, there are many slight differences in all factory stocks and for you to shoot it to it's peek capability it's going to have to fit. Savage has better after market support than the Tikka by far, which is something not to over look. Stay with the 30 cal !
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Old 03-07-2010, 11:27 AM
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Re: What caliber 7mm Rem Mag or 300 Win Mag

300. wsm forsure. Identical ballistics to the larger 300.win mag and less recoil. Around the same as the 7mm
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Old 03-07-2010, 01:55 PM
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I haven't handled an Accu-stock yet. It has been seriously stiffened up by the aluminum bedding they have designed. It also continues through the fore arm. You could always get one and try it out. If the stock does not suit, then look at after market stocks. Bell and Carlson, and Choate both make stocks that accept the DBM that is on the Mod 11/111 LRH. You just have to make sure of the action screw dimensions (center to center). I have a feeling the Accu-stock will feel a little more substantial. I have used rifles with the Savage Synthetic stock. They still shoot very well. They come with pillar bedding and completely free floated barrel. You would have to try it and see how it feels shooting one. Unfortunately, with out paying for top dollar models, most company's to include Remington, Winchester, and Weatherby all use a low dollar stock on there factory guns. If you look into there specialty lines, then you start seeing McMillian, HS, Choate, and Hogue after markets put on production rifles. With the exception to the Hogue, most of the prices come up $200 to $600 in cost.

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Old 03-08-2010, 01:02 PM
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Re: What caliber 7mm Rem Mag or 300 Win Mag

300 Win mag.

You need to shoot the big bullets if you are talking 1200 yard hunting. The Win mag will push a heavy bullet faster. The guys saying the WSM will get you the same velocity with 10 gr less powder....maybe.....close.......BUT, at considerably higher pressures. No such thing as a free lunch.

+1 for the belt myth. Load it like any other cartridge. headspace off of the case neck/sholder junction and forget about the belt.

Any thoughts on the WBY or the RUM?

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Old 03-08-2010, 06:52 PM
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Re: What caliber 7mm Rem Mag or 300 Win Mag

If you can find an FN PBR XP in 300 WSM, it is a nice package for what you want to do.

The FNs have decent barrels for a factory rifle and usually shoot under moa. It comes with a fluted barrel and an excellent 20 MOA rail. The stock could use an upgrade, but it is a Hogue with an aluminum block, so is usable. They are not expensive either.

Another choice is a Rem 5-R in 300 Win. It's heavier but shoots well.

Also look at the Weatherby Vanguard for a sporter weight rifle. With an upgraded stock and bedding it will shoot well at distance.

At 1200 yards, load development and some rifle tuning like bedding in a standard stock is mandatory for the accuracy you will need.

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Old 03-10-2010, 02:38 PM
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I just got to handle and shoot and accu-stock today. The stock is head and shoulders above the normal normal synthetic offered. It is more robust with stiffness in the forearm. It is also slightly dove tailed in the forearm but not overbearing. The finish is much better and feels like a quality aftermarket stock. My cousin pulled off about a 1 MOA group using Remington bulk 223 Ammo with FMJ's at 200yards. Shooting it across the Chrony the ammo had about a 100fps spread. That rifle will definitely shoot sub MOA if fed good ammunition. The owner of the rifle said that he is planning on feeding it some Black Hills or Federal Premium some time. I wish I could be there to see what the improvement is.

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Re: What caliber 7mm Rem Mag or 300 Win Mag

With all due respect to my other friends here, you will not come close to 1200 yds with any WSM, or WM or equivalent cartridge shooting the standard available bullets to 1200 yds on game - assuming you are looking for bullet expansion.

I run a 180 E-Tip @ 3190 fps out of my 300 WSM using RL17 and that is about as fast as you are ever going to see a 180 bullet come out of a 300 WSM or a 300 WM. That load gets me to 925 yds with 1820 fps velocity @ 4000' elevation, which is about it's minimum expansion velocity. The best 30 cal bullet presently available for LR hunting is the GS HV 177 which is said to have a BC in excess of .6 It design also gets better velocity. So assuming you can get that bullet moving @ 3300 fps out of a WSM or WM, with a BC of .62, you can get it to 1375 yds with just over 1600 fps of velocity, which is it's minimum expansion velocity. Then there's the question of will an out of the box rifle shoot hat well? With the 208 Amax you could get past 1000 yds with a good load, but know one knows it's minimum expansion velocity, because it's not advertised, because it's a "target" bullet and not a "hunting" bullet, and probably not a bullet I would pick for short to mid range shots.

Using the standard bullets, with typical load velocities and the cartridges you are considering, you're max effective range is about 800-1000 yds depending on load and elevation. For longest reach on deer size critteres the 7 RM or WSM is probably your best bet because of the higher BC bullets available. If you want to go with the GS bullets (which are spendy), then that's your best option.

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